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"HPD UNION RESPONSE TO SENATE BILL 464"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Sarge, you talk a good talk. But in many ways, unions have outlived their usefulness. I am the pay master here. I pay your bills. And so often, unions demand that certain chore s are performed only by union members per union contract. All you guys ever want is overtime. Would you agree to a max cutoff of overtime pay and to minimize it? Right, I didn't tink.

April 5, 2016 at 7:56 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Honestly that is the dumbest comment on this blog yet. It doesn't make sense to of any argument from any blog ever.

April 5, 2016 at 8:29 PM

Anonymous peter brush said...

There may be plenty to criticize, but it would seem a stretch to suggest the Mayor is already in bad faith just a couple of months into his tenure. It may be fair to say that the Mayor should have consulted and collaborated with both Council and the Legislature. Or that he should have done likewise with the labor syndicates. Who knows?

Bottom line; there must be cutting in spending and zero increase in taxation. An oversight board sounds good to me. Property taxpayers have no representation on Council anyway, and historically I've not been impressed by the financial expertise or concern of our democratically elected guys, but if the Council can rein in its appetites, God bless.

April 5, 2016 at 8:33 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dark Helmet the mayor played his low pocket pair and called a ford esk 46 poker nite in cromwell bluff..... He lost. But the good news is that he cant really do much to HPD being down about 100 guys/ girls..
Start selling these blight properties and even though i think holton just wants the stinky pinky these days, i agree with taxing the 59 % of the city that eats for free....

April 5, 2016 at 9:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holton does like the pink. Plenty of traffic pink becuase of that eye sore baseball stadium. I hope segarra shows up on the first day. I bet he laughs at all of us with the pie on the faces

April 5, 2016 at 9:37 PM

Anonymous Good O'L AL said...

We need a Republican for Hartford. A fiscal conservative with money pitching values .

April 5, 2016 at 10:23 PM

Anonymous Joe Hill said...

Can King Luke be exchanged for Holton?

April 6, 2016 at 12:29 AM

Anonymous Alyssa said...

Am impressed you posted police union perspective, Kevin, as I know you've had your differences with them. Good effort to try to keep the blog fair and balanced.

April 6, 2016 at 6:51 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

As I dimly recall, good ole Al once maneuvered the city of Hartford to buy a property on Wethersfield Ave that belonged to a friend of his and the said property had asbestos and it cost the city 10s of thousands if not hundreds of thousands to remove it. Now I could be wrong and I don't want to besmirch the good reputation of this wizen senior citizen.

But if I am correct, would this be another example of people sucking of the dried up teats of Mother Hartford?

April 6, 2016 at 7:08 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

1) Holton is suggesting Hartford wait until it is as dire as Waterbury? You can drown in a lake or an ocean, but you have a better chance of surviving in a lake.

2) Unions. Why are they happy comparing how much they've saved taxpayer compared to what taxpayer's used to pay, instead of what it costs to provide those services in well run towns and cities or in the private sector? That's like saying, I like the criminals in the south end because when they rob you, they take less of your stuff.

3) Tax exempt doesn't mean they don't pay anything. PILOT - look it up. Granted, the state isn't paying its fair share, but this is a red-herring issue that isn't going to change even if Hartford sells all of it's tax exempt parks.

4) Renters pay property taxes because they pay rent to property owners that use that money to pay property taxes. Granted, it's not paid directly, but it's still property tax dollars coming out of renters' pockets. No wonder Holton has trouble understanding the fiscal problems the City is facing.

Four hollow arguments that no one called him on.

April 6, 2016 at 10:17 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about making all of these slum lords have to live on the properties? That will solve a bunch of isuues. These blight and disgusting properties need to be corrected. Most slum lords live out of state. Make them required to live in hartford.
And to respond to the west indian meeting last nite, there is no way on gods green earth that 400 cops would choose to live in the city. That would never happen. Brookman would win the 100 yard dash in the rio olympic games before that....

April 6, 2016 at 12:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trying to save $ yet the crook Sgt of narcotics is still working non stop unit OT, and it's nonsense look at this! Why is he allowed to do this??some one should be looking at the OT in narcotics and what it is producing beyond nothing

April 6, 2016 at 1:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does hartford have a pending hurricane of narcotics on the horizon? Yes. Do we have a money hungry shawn st john sucking the tap dry ?
Yes
How much money is enough shawn? How much do you need to fill the pockets on your expanding waistline?
And get rid of all these take home cars, suvs suck a lot of city fuel.

April 6, 2016 at 4:02 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

What does captain reathis do around here? 200 k a year and a take home car. Life is good for reckless reathis these days i guess.

April 6, 2016 at 4:10 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Law enforcement is not an easy job. Educated officers are dedicated to protecting citizens. However, drugs is an epidemic world wide and not just in Hartford. Unions were organized to protect members. However, past Hartford Police union contracts have ruined it for present officers. It would have made a difference if over the years Hartford Police lived in Hartford. However, that never happened. We are in 2016 and Hartford is one of the poorest cities in the nation.

April 6, 2016 at 8:36 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

People seem to demonize unions as if they've done something wrong here. HPD officers have played by the rules agreed upon by the City over the years. No one was coerced into signing on the line. They have both gained and lost benefits in negotiations. These officers are not blank faces, they are the sons and daughters of Hartford. Many grew up here, moved here, and invested their lives, both literally and figuratively, in the city. Not to forget, the City gets a cut of every Private Job worked by officers, and officers pay into the pension plan as well. HPD officers DO NOT receive free medical benefits upon retirement. It is an out of pocket expense. The City acts like they have been robbed but its not so clear upon closer examination. Also, City politicians have received major benefits as well. If benefits and salary are cut there will be no incentive to take this job where everything you do is scrutinized and criticized for years. The weight of thousands of decisions made could cost you your job and that is what you pay for. it is a high stakes profession where a mistake could cost your job or jail. Funny, how many doctors have went to jail for mistakes made? The job of HPD officer will be not worth the trouble, especially if wages and benefits deteriorate. Attacking retirees will set off an alrm for new officers that HTFD doesn't live up to its agreements. Candidates will simply go elsewhere or get out all together and once again, the city will suffer with low standards and lower quality officers. I hear much about debt but nothing that curbs free spending in a welfare/sanctuary city. HTFD is a violent city, 4th nationwide at one time, and without security it will never recover.

April 7, 2016 at 12:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In the past thirty years or more - How many HPD lived in Hartford? How many HPD sent their children to Hartford schools? Tired of listening to I used to live in Hartford. Well then move back and pay your fair share of taxes and tell your grown children and grandchildren to move back too. Then, Hartford would be the place to live, work and play.

April 7, 2016 at 6:08 PM

Anonymous peter brush said...

HPD officers have played by the rules agreed upon by the City over the years. No one was coerced into signing on the line.
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No question that the police themselves are not to blame. And, the union is merely doing what the State has authorized it to do. But, the taxpayers here in the municipalities are coerced into dealing with the unions by the State. And, if a deal can't be reached in a particular instance, the State imposes the arbitration rules. There is no requirement that the Mayor or Council negotiate with any taxpayer organization.
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MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE RELATIONS ACT (MERA)
(CONN. GEN. STAT. § 7-467, ET SEQ.)

The Municipal Employee Relations Act was enacted in 1965 and covers employees of local government with the exception of certified teachers and administrators. MERA governs the collective bargaining relationship between municipal employers and employee organizations representing municipal employees. It prohibits certain practices by employers and employee organizations. It provides procedures for filing, investigation and adjudication of election petitions and prohibited practice complaints. MERA prohibits strikes. Originally, MERA provided for mediation and advisory fact-finding to resolve impasses in collective bargaining. In 1975, the legislature amended the statute to provide for compulsory mediation and arbitration of unresolved issues.

April 7, 2016 at 6:30 PM

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