Hi. Thanks for sharing my post about a 3rd gate. Disney has considered land in the Anaheim platinum triangle area before. I believe the city even offered some land adjacent to the stadium at a decent price, and they're throw in some street trolleys. But Disney declined that property (seen as empty land on the satellite map you have above) and now they're building office buildings and apartments on it. If Disney had any inclination of buying the Angels Stadium, they would have at least secured that land for future hotels. I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but Disney has not shown any interested in the platinum triangle so far. I'm worried that the current administration doesn't think a 3rd gate will ever be necessary. Unless they plan to go vertical on property they already own, they will eventually need more capacity than the existing acreage can provide. Now is the best time for the Mouse House to secure that property. They need to act.
January 30, 2018 at 7:27 PM
Anonymous said...
The area surrounding Angels stadium is not the best - it is rather gritty, and right next to it the Santa Ana River channel has large homeless encampments. Also in the vicinity are several taller buildings which might affect sight lines. Now it is possible that the area may improve somewhat in the years to come - a fancy mall complex has been proposed, albeit with another tall building. Plus with need to relocate the Angels I seriously doubt any possibility for a Disney park here.
- Tanzirian.
January 31, 2018 at 2:22 AM
Anonymous said...
Some of the things to consider is now near Anaheim stadium there are large condo (type) complexes now on former unused Anaheim stadium land, so the D would have to worry about noise abatement as well (no fireworks and more than likely indoor attractions on the berm area).
Many moons ago with the proposed ARTIC train station & City of the Anaheim were proposing a monorail project called the ARC project... http://aconnext.com/arc/ that would connect, the ARTIC train, Disneyland and the Convention center. But the monorail project got cancelled as the City thought the monorail was too expensive and went with street car... Disney was even giving some land for the storage area for the street car (can you imagine the busy streets of Anaheim with a street car??)
As for GardenWalk... there is a proposed JW Marriott in core drilling stage behind GW...that many moons ago, Disney had proposed Leasing the land for two hotel towers but, the recession hit and the D walked...
I think in a larger world... the D would buy up every mom and pop hotel on Harbor (they spent 51 B on Fox).... and expend right off of D/L for the land next door before they build in a very busy area with traffic already (Hockey, Concerts etc...)
Speculation in the land of Fantasy...
January 31, 2018 at 8:02 PM
Anonymous said...
'The reason why comes from WDW where, because they have four parks there, plus the water parks, the operating costs are so high that at the end they make less money than in Anaheim, or so.'
But does that take into account just the revenue from the theme parks, or does it take into account the total picture, including revenue from the hotels, etc? It seems to me that having the four theme parks encourages people to stay longer.
I'm not privy to all the information that Iger has, of course, but I still feel that it's short sighted to not build the third theme park. The market is there!!! You can charge another admission! They put so much money into Shanghai, and it seems to be paying off. Build it and they will come.
A new monorail line connecting the parks would be amazing. that would be costly though. i think star wars land will bring in the revenue needed. also, you could then build a waterpark in the employee parking lot area with its own disney monorail stop. if they bought the garden walk there could be another hotel there as well with a monorail stop. the waterpark could feature a giant dome that can open and close so the waterpark could be open all year around. dang! getting excited. hopefully it happens in my lifetime...
February 2, 2018 at 1:39 PM
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Two weeks ago, in an article titled "A roadmap to a third gate at Disneyland needs Gardenwalk" John Frost from The Disney Blog explained, now that the Gardenwalk property is on the market, why Disney should buy it as "it’s half a block away from Disney California Adventure and across Katella from one of Disneyland’s remote parking lots which has long been rumored to be the potential site for a third gate for the Disneyland Resort". John posted a satellite view of the whole thing and it's true that Gardewalk is just next door to Disneyland Resort, and Disney could create a kind of "East Downtown Disney" there easily.
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I did a post on the D&M Facebook page linking to John article HERE and then, one day later, someone whom i won't reveal the name but who is a faithful D&M reader and a Disney insider ( not an Imagineer ) sent me a very interesting message in which he was saying:
"In regards to GardenWalk. I worked in Anaheim for many years and we did a walk with the city through GardenWalk. Disney was interested in buying but it came down to looking back at Downtown Disney and realizing that no vendors stayed, so Disney ended up placing Disney owned shops to keep shops open while vendors would leave. For example, House of Blues left and moved to Garden Walk. Also, the third gate area is currently a cast member parking called K lot (Katella lot) and Toy Story lot is behind K lot. They would need more parking structures before a third gate."
"Also, just down the road if the Angels of Anaheim baseball team move to the new stadium which will be build in Irvine area, Disney would buy that massive open area. For now, they make Anaheim cast members park at the baseball stadium on busy days and they get shuttled into the park backstage for work.
The fact that a third gate could not be considered until 2025 literally sounds accurate as it is the time frame of the new hotel in Anaheim plus the new structure parking. The best bet is for Angels Stadium to be moved to another city and take over that massive land. And Angel stadium if they leave is the best Disney's future potential. Check out the amount of land Angel Stadium sits on."
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So i did a screenshot showing the land of Angels Stadium in Anaheim, that you can see below as well as aerial view of the stadium above. Definitely click on the screen captures to see them in big size.
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But i thought that the land look a bit too far from Disneyland Resort and even from the Patella lot... I thought that they won't be able to make the junction between the two, even if the Angels Stadium was going elsewhere and the land became free. To what he answered:
"Well, just imagine they make Disneyland Resort cast members park here on busy days! Yes they will be able to make the junction when Bob Iger will approve the Walt Disney World driver less vehicles as behind Toy Story lot the city built a brand new street called Gene Autry Way that connects Disney property to Angel Stadium. I guess you could say it runs behind Toy Story lot. If Angel Stadium move, all the green area you see on the map will be up for sale. "
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The red line on the screen capture above shows the way going from Disneyland to Angel Stadium.
Going back to have a look on the Google map where this Gene Autry way i agree that Disney have at least a road to connect. The high green space where the stadium is on the map is probably as big as Disneyland. I still find it a bit too far from the rest of DLR even with the roads to connect but we'll see if they move the stadium if Disney will buy the land.
To what my D&M reader answered: "They say that Disneyland is gridlock like Las Vegas and if Disneyland is going to expand they need to move out more. For example, Disney Sea originally was originally planned for Long Beach that is 28 miles away from Disneyland Resort. It’s going to be really interesting whatever plan falls through but right now it makes the most sense to purchase Garden Walk now that they've bought the land behind Garden Walk where the parking structure was supposed to be built. "
I agreed that that was right, they wanted to build a DisneySea there and the fact that it was near the sea was in favor of a Disney Sea park. But what i've also been told as one of the reason why Bob Iger didn't wanted to have a third park with a Star Wars land and a Marvel land was because Iger is apparently determined to use each square inch available in DL and DCA before creating a third park in Anaheim. The reason why comes from WDW where, because they have four parks there, plus the water parks, the operating costs are so high that at the end they make less money than in Anaheim, or so.
He agreed that "Iger did a great job removing backstage facilities and moving them off site as well as the horses ranch that took up valuable land behind Big Thunder Ranch. There is still a little room behind Haunted Mansion show building to play with if they really got serious. And possibly re-locating TDA could cause an expansion behind Toon Town in the future. I think a third park won’t be considered for a long long time... The Marvel land at California Adventure behind Cars Land is another project not even announced yet. Until they are out of room it won’t happen... back to Garden Walk I think it’s a good investment to have the land there."
To give you a better idea of how big is the land where Angel Stadium is i've copied it and placed it above Disneyland - see picture below - and i'm pretty sure that i've even forgot to include a parking lot west to the Stadium... As you can see the Angel Stadium land is really huge, there is no doubt that there is enough land there to build a 3rd theme park if they wish.
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So, will Disney buy the Angel Stadium land and build on it its third theme park in Anaheim? I wouldn't bet on it at 100% but i think my D&M reader has a very good point and it could be a good bet indeed for a third park, probably an even better one than to have the Katella and Toy Story lots used for a third park. What do you think? Thanks to leave your thoughts about it in a comment below!
Pictures: copyright Google Maps
posted by Alain Littaye at 2:59 PM on Jan 30, 2018
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Close this window Jump to comment formHi. Thanks for sharing my post about a 3rd gate. Disney has considered land in the Anaheim platinum triangle area before. I believe the city even offered some land adjacent to the stadium at a decent price, and they're throw in some street trolleys. But Disney declined that property (seen as empty land on the satellite map you have above) and now they're building office buildings and apartments on it. If Disney had any inclination of buying the Angels Stadium, they would have at least secured that land for future hotels. I'm not saying it's not a possibility, but Disney has not shown any interested in the platinum triangle so far. I'm worried that the current administration doesn't think a 3rd gate will ever be necessary. Unless they plan to go vertical on property they already own, they will eventually need more capacity than the existing acreage can provide. Now is the best time for the Mouse House to secure that property. They need to act.
January 30, 2018 at 7:27 PM
The area surrounding Angels stadium is not the best - it is rather gritty, and right next to it the Santa Ana River channel has large homeless encampments. Also in the vicinity are several taller buildings which might affect sight lines. Now it is possible that the area may improve somewhat in the years to come - a fancy mall complex has been proposed, albeit with another tall building. Plus with need to relocate the Angels I seriously doubt any possibility for a Disney park here.
- Tanzirian.
January 31, 2018 at 2:22 AM
Some of the things to consider is now near Anaheim stadium there are large condo (type) complexes now on former unused Anaheim stadium land, so the D would have to worry about noise abatement as well (no fireworks and more than likely indoor attractions on the berm area).
Many moons ago with the proposed ARTIC train station & City of the Anaheim were proposing a monorail project called the ARC project... http://aconnext.com/arc/ that would connect, the ARTIC train, Disneyland and the Convention center. But the monorail project got cancelled as the City thought the monorail was too expensive and went with street car... Disney was even giving some land for the storage area for the street car (can you imagine the busy streets of Anaheim with a street car??)
As for GardenWalk... there is a proposed JW Marriott in core drilling stage behind GW...that many moons ago, Disney had proposed Leasing the land for two hotel towers but, the recession hit and the D walked...
I think in a larger world... the D would buy up every mom and pop hotel on Harbor (they spent 51 B on Fox).... and expend right off of D/L for the land next door before they build in a very busy area with traffic already (Hockey, Concerts etc...)
Speculation in the land of Fantasy...
January 31, 2018 at 8:02 PM
'The reason why comes from WDW where, because they have four parks there, plus the water parks, the operating costs are so high that at the end they make less money than in Anaheim, or so.'
But does that take into account just the revenue from the theme parks, or does it take into account the total picture, including revenue from the hotels, etc? It seems to me that having the four theme parks encourages people to stay longer.
I'm not privy to all the information that Iger has, of course, but I still feel that it's short sighted to not build the third theme park. The market is there!!! You can charge another admission! They put so much money into Shanghai, and it seems to be paying off. Build it and they will come.
February 1, 2018 at 9:30 AM
A new monorail line connecting the parks would be amazing. that would be costly though. i think star wars land will bring in the revenue needed. also, you could then build a waterpark in the employee parking lot area with its own disney monorail stop. if they bought the garden walk there could be another hotel there as well with a monorail stop. the waterpark could feature a giant dome that can open and close so the waterpark could be open all year around. dang! getting excited. hopefully it happens in my lifetime...
February 2, 2018 at 1:39 PM