this is the onset of something you're going to see a lot of in the future. as you say it is pointless/stupid, but aside from these guys having to print something to justify their paychecks, it plays into the narrative of what a HUGE failure obama has been (even as a critic of the guy i disagree with that) and who would have done a better job. i think the village would also get a kick out of seeing obama challenged for the nomination in 2012 too.
If Hillary had bailed on HCR, the Democratic base would be screaming that she was a corporate sellout and should be primaried. And the Republicans would still hate her, plus they would know she was weak and vulnerable because of her failure.
Forgot to add: Faced with the prospect of massive midterm losses, Chief of Staff Mark Penn would have advised Hillary to stage another Oklahoma City terror attack to distract the voters and give her a chance to act all tough and Presidential.
November 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM
So I get up this morning, I'm all happy because I have an extra hour, I can go down to Panera and get some bagels, and I open my browser just to check the world, and Dana Milbank completely ruins my day with his Fantasy Political Football column where he wonders if Hillary would have gotten beat up like Obama did as President last Tuesday.
Would unemployment have been lower under a President Hillary? Would the Democrats have lost fewer seats on Tuesday? It's impossible to know. But what can be said with confidence is that Clinton's toolkit is a better match for the current set of national woes than they were for 2008, when her support for the Iraq war dominated the campaign.
Back then, Clinton's populist appeal to low-income white voters, union members and workers of the Rust Belt was not enough to overcome Obama's energized youth vote. But Clinton's working-class whites were the very ones who switched to the Republicans on Tuesday.
Back in '08, Clinton's scars from HillaryCare were seen as a liability, proof that she was a product of the old ways of Washington. But now that Obama has himself succumbed to the partisanship, his talk of a "growth process" in office makes Clinton's experience in the trenches look like more of an asset.
Clinton campaign advisers I spoke with say she almost certainly would have pulled the plug on comprehensive health-care reform rather than allow it to monopolize the agenda for 15 months. She would have settled for a few popular items such as children's coverage and a ban on exclusions for pre-existing conditions. That would have left millions uninsured, but it also would have left Democrats in a stronger political position and given them more strength to focus on job creation and other matters, such as immigration and energy.
The Clinton campaign advisers acknowledge that she probably would have done the auto bailout and other things that got Obama labeled as a socialist. The difference is that she would have coupled that help for big business with more popular benefits for ordinary Americans.
Just...really, Dana? Really?
Unless Hillary could have gotten a significantly larger stimulus, the answer is she'd be in the same boat. The GOP would have blocked her every move, Evan Bayh and Ben Nelson and Joe Lieberman would have jerked her around, and instead of birthers we'd have Clinton truthers refighting every stupid thing from 1997. Instead of pushing Obama's race to separate white working-class men in the Rust Belt from the Democrats, the GOP would have pushed gender fears instead. Rush wouldn't be making racist jokes, just misogynist ones.
Sarah Palin would still be throwing around her Mama Grizzly scat everywhere, the distractions of Michelle Obama, woman with Big Arms and Food Police, would be replaced with Hey What's First Dude Bill Doin'? Hillarycare would still be Hillarycare and not have gotten passed at all, we'd still have firebaggers because of that (Hillary wasn't progressive enough arrrrrgh!), energy and immigration still would have gotten blocked and we'd still be in the same damn mess we are right now.
No difference. Oh and the youth vote still wouldn't have turned out.
And the most important difference is that Milbank would be writing a fantasy column about what would of happened if Obama had been President instead of Hillary.
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November 7, 2010 at 8:55 AM
And the best blog post of the day, as well.
November 7, 2010 at 10:30 AM
Enjoy those bagels! And by the way, you're right.
November 7, 2010 at 10:43 AM
this is the onset of something you're going to see a lot of in the future. as you say it is pointless/stupid, but aside from these guys having to print something to justify their paychecks, it plays into the narrative of what a HUGE failure obama has been (even as a critic of the guy i disagree with that) and who would have done a better job. i think the village would also get a kick out of seeing obama challenged for the nomination in 2012 too.
November 7, 2010 at 11:09 AM
If Hillary had bailed on HCR, the Democratic base would be screaming that she was a corporate sellout and should be primaried. And the Republicans would still hate her, plus they would know she was weak and vulnerable because of her failure.
November 7, 2010 at 11:10 AM
Forgot to add: Faced with the prospect of massive midterm losses, Chief of Staff Mark Penn would have advised Hillary to stage another Oklahoma City terror attack to distract the voters and give her a chance to act all tough and Presidential.
November 7, 2010 at 11:12 AM