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"Reverse-engineering a vintage power supply chip from die photos"

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Blogger przemek said...

The current mirror schematic is wrong: it shows an B-E strap, but it should be B-C, I think.

August 18, 2021 at 12:03 PM

Anonymous MSP said...

przemek is correct. If you connect the transistor's base to its emitter there will be no collector current unless you exceed the tranistor's max Vce. The base must be connected to the collector.

August 18, 2021 at 12:12 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Oops! You are correct, przemek. I edited a PNP diagram to make it NPN but forgot to move the strap. It's fixed now.

August 18, 2021 at 12:13 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the detailed explanation!
A minor contribution: I think the explanation for how the diff pair works is backwards (at least for the PNP example in the figure. It would be correct for an NPN diff pair).

The text says: "The basic idea is that a current mirror (the circle at the top) generates a fixed current I. This current gets split between the left path (I1) and the right path (I2). If the transistor on the left has a higher input voltage than the transistor on the right, most of the current will go to the left. But if the transistor on the right has a higher input, most of the current will go to the right."

For the PNP diff pair show, I think is the other way around: "If the transistor on the left has a higher input voltage [...] most of the current will go to the _RIGHT_"


Also, any though on why the bandgap resistors are 45 deg? Maybe something to do with the output stage heating up? Maybe it's just a way to improve matching? Avoid thermoelectric effects? Just curious of what other think/know about that.

Thank you!

August 19, 2021 at 4:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

In note 4: "Many of the resistors in the fuse network are made of fixed-length resistors in various combinations. For example, two in parallel gives twice the resistance, while two in series give half the resistance."

Shouldn't this be the other way round? Two resistors in parallel ought to be half the resistance (twice the conductance), and two in series twice the resistance.

August 24, 2021 at 1:51 AM

Anonymous Dave said...

Thanks for the explanations! There might also be current mirrors in the infolithium batteries' management. I know that company did some memory sticks with magic gate technology, but it remains to be seen if mirror transistors (and emitters) exist within that even smaller supply solution.

December 7, 2021 at 9:25 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi.
I'm a electrician by proffesion, and, sometime i do small reparations in electronics.
For me, this post was enlighting, to see how it works at chip level.
Thank you for your time put in this work.
It was a pleasure to read.

June 7, 2022 at 11:21 PM

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