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"Reverse-engineering the TL431: the most common chip you've never heard of"

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Blogger Unknown said...

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May 26, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting read. Thanks for taking the time to write these posts, they seem well researched and I imagine there are quite a few hours in each of them.

As of your suggestion I put a very small donation ($5) towards your daughters school water charity.

/Markus

May 27, 2014 at 8:29 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surprisingly fewer comments here than I would have thought. Thanks for this post -- I learned something new about how transistors, resistors and capacitors are implemented in silicon.

August 2, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Blogger MatTeaocha said...

Great post! As someone who is trying to learn electronics on their own it's a really excellent lesson to have the veil lifted on these tiny things.

Well thought out and well written too. I hope you feel inspired to keep delivering :-)

August 15, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

French guy: I can't identify your chip, but my guess is a NEC (now Renesas) microcontroller, probably custom. Lots of foreign sites offer to sell a NEC 800279F1-011-MN9 (i.e. the chip you're looking at), but nobody says what it is so they're probably bluffing.

Analyzing your chip would be very hard - you'd need to start stripping off the metal layers and look at what's underneath. P.S. The image site you use tries to download some dodgy files.

September 10, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank you for the effort to put toghether all this info, and i subscribe at your ideea about 431 being the most illustre unknown ic at the moment.

June 29, 2015 at 1:33 PM

Blogger Ubuntu Noob said...

Great information!. Just for interest I built a reflex-regenerative medium wave receiver using only a TL431 device as its active component. It is a great performer.

http://theradioboard.com/rb/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6733

December 29, 2015 at 7:14 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post, superb. I learned a lot and appreciate your time spent writing this article.

Thanks
/Luis

October 13, 2016 at 9:16 AM

Blogger Sun said...

Fantastic, Really appreciate the effort and time you have spent. I look into the die details for TL431 size and find links
1. https://zeptobars.com/en/read/TL431-adjustable-shunt-regulator-linear-supply and
2. https://zeptobars.com/en/read/TI-TL431-adjustable-shunt-regulator-linear-supply

Why the area is different ? is it just because manufacturer different ?
Thanks

March 1, 2017 at 8:52 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Sunil: yes, different manufacturers use different layouts and often different circuits. The part number doesn't mean much - internally two TL431s (or 741 op amps or whatever) can be very different. So read the data sheet carefully :-)

March 1, 2017 at 11:33 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

It is worth it to mention that (at least in the SMD land) that pinout varies a lot among manufactures, all under the same package format and "TL431" or "431" label. I know it well after spending some time trying to make one of these working. Awesome investigative pages here in this blog, congratulations and thanks!!

November 4, 2017 at 3:34 PM

Anonymous stoicbeast said...

Thanks man for this detailed explanation of the de-capped IC. I have a decapped linear regulator controller IC and was unable to make sense of it. The references in your post have been highly useful. Keep up the good work

May 2, 2019 at 6:49 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Must have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps next time, use it to cure some deadly disease, alleviate world hunger, stop global warming, reduce micro-plastics, invent time travel...

November 1, 2020 at 12:38 PM

Blogger Mark Szlazak said...

Hi Ken, have you tried your TL431 circuit in SPICE to see if it's results match the datasheets? If so then what where the SPICE device parameters used for the transistors, etc? Thanks.

January 17, 2021 at 10:17 AM

Blogger dob said...

After reading this blog, I learned that the original TL431 chip could be used in multiple components. I just thought that this chip was widely used before, but it's still not very systematic to understand which scenarios it's applied to. Thanks to the author, let me know that the whole TL431 chip can be re-engineered with transistors, resistors, fuses and capacitors.

And I'm very amazed at the details of your photos. Particularly when I saw that you marked the structure of the TL431 chip component in detail on the picture and matched the internal schematic diagram of the TL431 that you provided, it seemed to make me feel that there is an amiable teacher behind the screen who is patient, Teach the reader gently.

So I am very happy to come across such an illuminating article, and I very much agree with this view, "And I'm very amazed at the details of your photos. Particularly when I saw that you marked the structure of the TL431 chip component in detail on the picture and matched the internal schematic diagram of the TL431 that you provided, it seemed to make me feel that there is an amiable teacher behind the screen who is patient, Teach the reader gently.
So I am very happy to come across such an illuminating article, and I very much agree with this view, "But unless you've worked on power supplies, chances are you've never heard of the TL431. Thus, the TL431 gets my vote for the most common IC that people are unaware of."

And I also write an article about how to test and replace tl431, hope it can be insightful to you.
https://www.apogeeweb.net/circuitry/tl431-test-and-repalce.html

February 19, 2021 at 6:54 PM

Blogger dob said...

After reading this blog, I learned that the original TL431 chip could be used in multiple components. I just thought that this chip was widely used before, but it's still not very systematic to understand which scenarios it's applied to. Thanks to the author, let me know that the whole TL431 chip can be re-engineered with transistors, resistors, fuses and capacitors.

And I'm very amazed at the details of your photos. Particularly when I saw that you marked the structure of the TL431 chip component in detail on the picture and matched the internal schematic diagram of the TL431 that you provided, it seemed to make me feel that there is an amiable teacher behind the screen who is patient, Teach the reader gently.

So I am very happy to come across such an illuminating article, and I very much agree with this view, "And I'm very amazed at the details of your photos. Particularly when I saw that you marked the structure of the TL431 chip component in detail on the picture and matched the internal schematic diagram of the TL431 that you provided, it seemed to make me feel that there is an amiable teacher behind the screen who is patient, Teach the reader gently.
So I am very happy to come across such an illuminating article, and I very much agree with this view, "But unless you've worked on power supplies, chances are you've never heard of the TL431. Thus, the TL431 gets my vote for the most common IC that people are unaware of."

And I also write an article about how to test and replace tl431, hope it can be insightful to you.
https://www.apogeeweb.net/circuitry/tl431-test-and-repalce.html

February 19, 2021 at 6:54 PM

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