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"Counterfeit Macbook charger teardown: convincing outside but dangerous inside"

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unmarked IC Is likely a PWM (pulse width modulator).

March 20, 2016 at 6:27 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Decided to measure the voltage on a genuine looking magsafe charger. It had the grounding bit and "proper" LED charging behavior as well as markings.

16ish V, spark, dead. Now I know! Just ordered a proper one from MacMall. You might have saved me from a nasty surprise.

March 20, 2016 at 8:25 PM

Blogger D Minor said...

I lost a motherboard to a counterfeit charger. When I examined it afterwards it was even worse than the one you examined. It was putting out too high a voltage continuously.

March 20, 2016 at 11:29 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm shocked by the quality of genuine chargers too. No line filters to speak of. I had one of the ethernet over powerline things and there was loud noise in my headphones on any transmission. Now I always add one or two snap on Ferrites on any mac charger. On both sides, for good measure. Totally kills off any powerline noise.

March 21, 2016 at 6:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks
I had my original charger for comparison
(deteriorated wire covering flaked off mid cord, exposing coaxial ground wire . THANKS APPLE :-( )
otherwise it looked pretty convincing
GIVEAWAY was when tapped it buzzed and the original was very solid feeling
Weight was about 20 gram less than the one that came with the computer.
wire felt good
small mold differences that were only salient if side by side comparisons were done
Good discussion of why the guts not the shell matters

March 21, 2016 at 10:33 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

the "415" is probably a date code.

March 21, 2016 at 11:16 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The PWM controller looksto me like OB2263
http://www.on-bright.com/cn/english/products/OB2262_3.pdf

March 21, 2016 at 12:02 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Anonymous: good work identifying the control chip as the OB2263! I checked the charger's circuit against the 2263 datasheet and the pinout and circuit fit perfectly. In addition, the datasheet says the chip is labeled with "63ddd" where ddd is a date code, which matches the "63G01" on the chip. Interestingly, the datasheet says the chip is designed for supplies under 30 watts, while the charger was advertised as 45W, which makes me suspicious about how much power the charger could actually provide.

March 21, 2016 at 7:48 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

The knockoff is not a charger, it is a regulated power supply.
Only lead acid batteries can be charged with constant voltage (set right),
but any other chemistry. like any Lithium, would be very problematic, to say the least.
Moreover, this knockoff is not any "cheaper" it is the wrong species. Price comparisons are irrelevant unless the things are equal. Charging Lipos from this may well result in a fire.

March 22, 2016 at 10:05 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

wow there, anonymous lipo guy: laptop batteries have their own dedicated electronics on the mainboard (or partly inside the enclosure if removeable). That is not compareable to raw lipo cells as used in quadcopters etc.

March 23, 2016 at 12:10 PM

Blogger Agent Cobalt said...

Amusingly, I’m being served Amazon ads on your page for knockoff magsafe chargers. Not gonna get a good clickthrough rate here, folks…

March 23, 2016 at 2:55 PM

Blogger Big Guy said...

I wish someone had done similar teardown of mbp preunibody batteries, the genuine one, and the fake one. I mean not just the teardown (some time ago I disassembled the original battery, and I want to do the same with another one sold by chinese ebay seller as original, but with some slight oddity in one place in typography, and the battery didn't serve very well actually).
a thorough analysis of schematics was really interesting to read.

March 24, 2016 at 11:45 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am the OB2263 Anonymous.
I've designed a 60W flyback converters using this controller and it worked perfectly, even with synchronous rectification (using FAN6204). The 30W "limit" is only a ball park recommendation - people mostly design on flyback topology at this power levels. All you need to use OB2263 up to a 100W flyback is a properly designed flyback coupled inductor ("transformer") with proper snubber and a good MOSFET.
So I believe the PSU could easily spit out the advertised 45W. I would say that if a bit of more thought would have been given to the design, it would be in fact better than the original overly complicated (and not very reliable) Apple PSU.
Cheers!
Tomas

March 24, 2016 at 4:55 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ken,

There are lots of new chargers being sold all over the web labelled as 'Genuine', even Amazon. Are these ever real, does Apple ever sell into this channel?

Thank you.

April 2, 2016 at 5:30 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks for the article. I bought one of these supposedly genuine chargers from eBay UK and now it is going to be replaced by one from Apple. Another way to tell whether the charger is really correct (if you bought one and don't want to crack it open before returning it or taking your chances) is to check out AboutThisMac/System Report/Power and skip to the end to the AC Charger Information. In an Apple charger you'll find the tabs id/wattage/revision/family/serial number all populated and in a fake they are all blank.

April 4, 2016 at 1:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would I do any damage to my MBA using one of these knock offs for a couple of charges? Or is it just the risk of shorting?

April 6, 2016 at 3:11 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

The most often failure mode of those cheap fake chargers is breakthrough of the switching MOSFET because of either underrated MOSFET, poorly engineered snubbers and/or inadequate filthering of voltage spikes from the mains. When this happens, the core fully saturates, then fuse blows, primary is freewheeling and full magnetic field stored in the core is dumped into the secondary side, generating a short overvoltage peak that could theoretically get to the macbook, but is usually dampened in output caps and cable inductance.
The real danger of those chargers is inadequate insulation between primary and secondary side: either the clearance on the PCB, or mechanical construction, or poorly made flyback "transformer" - which I consider most dangerous as it is hard to get checked without using special equipment - a megger. Loosing MBA is nothing in comparison with loosing a life.

April 7, 2016 at 8:55 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got a suspicious "genuine" Apple 85W adapter from Groupon Goods that output full voltage all the time. I returned it.

I ordered another "genuine" Apple 85W adapter in bulk packaging from OWC and I suspect its also a counterfeit. I haven't tested it yet though.

May 12, 2016 at 11:01 PM

Blogger neciu said...

TL;DR
Check output voltage witch iStat. Fake had circa 17,5 V instead of circa 20 V.

I've met "genuine" Apple 85W adapter from Allegro (Polish ebay thing). I started feeling suspicious after opening the package: there was no original box or characteristic "rectangular" cord tape. Build quality was also not so Apple'ish. I've went to official Polish Apple service and there they couldn't say if the adapter genuine or not. After some research I've decided to measure the output voltage and I've installed iStat. In the app measurments said the output voltage is 17,5 V which was odd, because every adapter I've checked has circa 20 V output.

Luckily I returned it with full refund...

May 29, 2016 at 6:40 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi,

did you tried to read out the Adress of that chip inside the Magsafe plug?

Im especially interested, because i bought a 8bugs replacement cable for my original cable but using your code to read out the adress I end up getting weird output instead of a useful adress containing all the nesesarry informations

best regards
Leon

June 4, 2016 at 1:47 PM

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August 28, 2016 at 1:26 PM

Blogger BashMac said...

Our service center also conducted an analysis of original power adapter
https://mac.org.ua/reviews/original-apple-magsafe/

August 28, 2016 at 1:27 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

hi,

I purchased a used 60 magsafe 1 power supply and I opened it.

Could you guys help me identify if it is a fake or not?

It looks different than the original one in the article, but probably there is at least a handful of revisions since the charger is in production for years and there are different manufecturers.

Here is a picture of the PCB: https://1drv.ms/i/s!AoOKbzBzmcoC-3o-JZKs-x7H52N_

The charger made by dongguan samsung.

October 4, 2016 at 12:51 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Hi Unknown! Your charger looks real to me. Apple has multiple versions of each charger (probably so they can negotiate one manufacturer against another), so don't worry that the photos don't match. Signs that it is real: Your charger is crammed full of parts with many ICs - they aren't trying to save money. Lots of insulation between primary and secondary sides - the slots in the PCB and the plastic insulators. Heat-shrink insulation where the AC wires are soldered to the plug. So I think you're okay.

October 4, 2016 at 4:50 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Thank you for your help!

I opened up an other one too(this came from a suspicious store and I have to replace the magsafe cord anyway)

This looks more similar to yours, this one made by Delta.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!AoOKbzBzmcoC-3671wy53FAqQanJ

On the circuit board there is "PP05" written, on yours there is "PP07", I think this shows which revision is the charger.

And here is an other picture of the previous charger from the other side in case of somebody is interested.

https://1drv.ms/i/s!AoOKbzBzmcoC-3ttW6EDeMfREiTj


I am glad I found your blog, there are a lot of interesting stuff!

October 5, 2016 at 2:51 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Thanks for posting the photos, Alfréd. With that component density, they're clearly Apple chargers and not counterfeits.

October 6, 2016 at 7:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just had a genuine apple charger completely die on me when most needed. I have never had a counterfeit charger die out on me in over 10 years of use (several of them used during this time and the 10 year old one still working).

Like apple keyboards, which several have died out on me, apple can overcomplicate things which makes them unreliable. As long as the power supply is putting out the correct voltage, chances are that things will be ok. Lets not overcomplicate basic electronics.

Also, note apple only warranties things for 1 year, which is a month or so short of what my genuine charger lasted, which never left the house and was on a surge protector.

January 15, 2017 at 2:32 PM

Blogger lil said...

Same here. Just lost it after about a month of fake charger use.

July 4, 2017 at 7:34 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bought an 85W MagSafe 2 from OWC aka Other World Computing aka macsales.com. It has all the signs of a fake: light comes on instantly, light stays on after it is unplugged, wrong ID number, casing quality is poor, weighs 2ounces less than a real one, and other signs of a fake. They insist they are bought from Apple and real. However if you look up their Yelp reviews you'll see this is very common and in one case Apple verified the adapter was fake, yet OWC still claimed it wasn't.

I no longer trust OWC and will not purchase from them again.

August 23, 2017 at 9:42 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, REALLY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GREAT WORK!!!
I had got same the issueed, then just asked google professor why so weakness this product now... (ToT)

November 24, 2018 at 9:23 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

yup, it's 2020, and OWC is still selling fakes!
Will never shop there again. Trusted them, it died after 8 months, then I found all the info on OWC fakes, comparing side by side it's clear it's a fake. The real one weighs 35% more, same UL Listing #.
Text looks like a photocopy under magnification.

December 1, 2020 at 11:10 AM

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