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"The Mathematics of Volleyball"

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Anonymous human mathematics said...

Very cool! This definitely makes me more interested in arc and in functional languages generally. I didn't know you could solve dynamic programming problems so easily in a functional language.

Re: your question in the previous post about whether programming a solution is better or math theory, I would argue that math is better for understanding what happens when you change assumptions. For example let's say you wanted to use heterogeneous probabilities -- the team that's behind gets discouraged or the team that's ahead gets cocky or something, at various spreads and times in the game.

Or maybe there's an ebb-and-flow to the game. Maybe that's only time-dependent or time-and-score-and-dummy-variable-dependent, and so on.

Or even just as simple as you want to consider just the entire array of probabilities you could plug in: best team vs worst team, slightly mismatched teams, and even teams. That's when it's nice to have a theorem, or at least a bit of linear algebra, to know if all those scenarios can be treated as "of the same type" or not.

I don't remember the formula for the probability that a biased random walk hits 14 before −14, but I know there is one.

September 17, 2011 at 10:42 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

all high school coaches need to read this.

April 14, 2013 at 6:28 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

so how could you mathematically included factors such as a mismatched team into the calculations?
this is an extremely interesting topic and i hope that you delve more into it

June 2, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Anonymous Tim Roberts said...

Wonderful article--fascinating. One question: On the importance of next point chart--when the team on the Left is at 25 and the team on the Top is at 23, the chart shows 25%. Shouldn't it be 0% as the team on the Left would have already won the match?

September 24, 2015 at 12:19 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Tim, thank you for your comments. You are correct: it doesn't make sense to have an entry in the next point chart for 25-23; those boxes should be blank.

September 25, 2015 at 8:30 AM

Anonymous Yujin Ahn said...

Beautiful idea-I'm so happy that I could read this article! Reading this, I thought this could be used in many the other sports. I'm a high school student in Korea, and I want to use this to do a study about the mathematics of sports. Could you let me use this for reference?

May 6, 2016 at 6:12 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Yujin: yes, go ahead and see if you can apply this to other sports.

May 6, 2016 at 10:59 PM

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September 9, 2016 at 8:47 AM

Blogger Ghyeb said...

Hi Mr.Shirriff, I was looking over your mathematics of volleyball pascal's triangle and I was confused as to what your (n) and (i) values meant in your formula following the triangle? Would you mind explaining the significance of them? Thanks!

September 18, 2016 at 7:41 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi! I love your ideas! one question: where did you get the formula's from? I could not find the formula that you used at the beginning.

October 12, 2016 at 4:52 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Hello. I came across this after I had essentially derived its equivalent using a cumulative binomial probability model(Pascal's Triangle link you mention). I decided to allow for a future point win rate assumption different than 50%, if the reader desired this to be variable. The fact that serving win rates and receiving win rates are typically differing by nearly 25% throws off the model in terms of game flow (average rally lengths are less than a cumulative binomial model would suggest, closer to 1.6 than 2.0, I believe),but regarding the end state probability to win the game it remains very useful. Below is a link to a newsletter I am working on and it has links to Googlesheets which help inform the ideas within. I am apparently a little late to the discussion, but still found your post interesting!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RAc34dA6QUUbHh2-6IOZnK3Xz-rWHOpw/view?usp=sharing

December 21, 2017 at 6:54 AM

Blogger beejels said...

The $64,000 question is this...how does knowing this help us earn a point? The concept is interesting of course. The big assumption necessary to do any of this work is that the teams are evenly matched, which they never are, but that's why it's an assumption. What can we say or do in the match to make this useful?

September 6, 2018 at 11:41 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Hello Sir, really like your work! I would like to know how did you come up with both the numerator and the denominators for these two equations:

T(a+b-1, b-1)/ 2^a+b-1

(a+b-2
a-1 ) / 2^ a+b-2

Also, for the first equation, when we calculate the numerator, i understood we can use nCr, but i dont understand why we have to add the numbers in the row in pascal's triangle, then divide that number by the denominator and X100 to get the percentage.

I hope you find time to answer my question Sir.
Thank you in advance!!

January 11, 2019 at 1:15 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice

April 6, 2021 at 5:39 AM

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