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"Op amp on the Moon: Reverse-engineering a hybrid op amp module"

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Blogger Zebryk said...

Very interesting to learn about the history.
Is there anything left to invent for the average engineer?

February 25, 2019 at 5:34 AM

Anonymous william said...

It appears to be an annular ring.
See:
http://www.semiconductormuseum.com/Transistors/Motorola/Haenichen/Haenichen_Page7.htm
and the next page too.

February 25, 2019 at 8:37 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Thank you William for the link. I've updated the post with information about the annular ring.

February 25, 2019 at 9:33 AM

Blogger Andrey Cheremskoy said...

Ken I counted 11 transistors in the die picture, but schematics shows only 10. Is it correct?

February 25, 2019 at 10:41 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Andrei: The die has 13 transistors (11 bipolar, 2 JFET), but three are wired as diodes, so I drew them as diodes on the schematic.

February 25, 2019 at 1:32 PM

Blogger David Kilpatrick said...

Hi Ken, another great blog post. Thanks!
You might be interested to know Paul Carlson featured and operated a K2-W on his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEFdADrU9MA

February 26, 2019 at 3:02 AM

Blogger Richard said...

Amazing !

as in the 60's they manage to perform welding wires of components so small, would it be manual?

February 26, 2019 at 8:47 AM

Blogger Zom-B said...

@Richard: They had lots of magnifying devices in that time, like the ones on pages 13 and 54 of this tube propaganda booklet: http://www.rcaselectron.com/TubesAndTransistors.pdf Though they seem to be of the shadow projection (light from below) type not the metallurgical (reflective) type.

February 26, 2019 at 10:34 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Richard, to attach the wires they'd use a wire bonding machine, same as for producing integrated circuits or transistors. It would have a stereo microscope and a manual positioning mechanism, so the operator would move to the right spot and then move a lever to attach the wire. Diagrams of a wire bonding machine are here. From what I read, automatic wire bonding machines became popular in the 1980s.

February 26, 2019 at 11:51 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Awesome Ken, I always learn something new from your posts. I look forward to your next one!

March 2, 2019 at 4:46 PM

Blogger TerryKing said...

Ken THANKS so much for this! I thought I was way cool in 1968 when I used the new Philbrick Plastic Case-Edge connector opamps to build a automatic logging system for Broadcast Transmitters. The Philbrick book was my bible. Two of my sons who saw that development work in our basement are Engineers and Chip Designers today, and two Grandsons are Engineers. At 79 I still love designing circuits and writing code to help younger people learn and love electronics. Now I'm aiming at Elementary/Middle School with this:
https://arduinoinfo.mywikis.net/wiki/EasyConnectKit

In awe of what you do, and in fond memory of Bob Pease,
Regards, Terry King
...In The Woods in Vermont, USA
terry@yourduino.com

March 2, 2019 at 5:35 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice writeup as always, but one typo correction. In the "inside the hybrid op amp section" you have "Tiny gold wires are attached to the emitter and collector of the transistor..." Should have been base instead of collector. I suspect anyone reading this knew what you meant but figured I'd mention it.

March 3, 2019 at 6:30 AM

Blogger Richard said...

Thanks Ken Shirriff for the clarifications.
Thank you Zom-B, great stuff.

I imagine the probability of manufacturing error to be manual should be high.

March 3, 2019 at 6:32 PM

Anonymous Duane K. said...

Bell Labs came up with wire bonding in the mid-50s: https://nepp.nasa.gov/index.cfm/20911

One of my colleagues designed a hybrid in the late 80s with about 200 dice. He and another colleague manually wirebonded the first two prototypes. I seem to recall there were over 2000 wires on the completed assembly. Most of the chips were commodity parts but the manufacturers hadn't released them in an SMD package yet. By the time they did, we had an ASIC designed and fabbed to do the same thing.

I designed a couple of hybrids using custom ASICs myself, fortunately they were regular enough to allow for automated wirebonding. When the first article of one came back from fabrication, our assembler accidently brushed it and caused some short circuits so I had to mount it on a stage under a microscope and carefully tease a few loops apart. It took a few passes to not introduce more shorts as I cleared them out. If memory serves, they were on a 10 mil pitch in two layers or levels.

March 9, 2019 at 12:04 PM

Blogger Enno said...

Unless I'm mistaken Microchip makes the PIC micro-controllers. The AVRs used in the Arduinos come from Atmel.

March 18, 2019 at 6:07 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Microchip acquired Atmel over three years ago, so PICs and AVRs are now Microchip products.

May 19, 2019 at 7:09 PM

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