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"Analyzing the vintage 8008 processor from die photos: its unusual counters"

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Blogger Ed said...

Federico Faggin's commentary on the new-for-the-time self-aligned silicon gate technology which was used for the 4004 and 8008 is interesting reading:
http://www.intel4004.com/mosgate.htm
(The previous technology being metal gate, not being self-aligned and therefore needing more margin for misalignment and so delivering lower density, and also needing an extra mask to define where the channel is to be. The new technology allowed the channel doping to be masked by the polysilicon gate itself.)

March 14, 2017 at 3:08 AM

Blogger Jecel said...

Regarding note 8, a famous use of Linear Feedback Shift Register counters was in the TIA (Television Interface Adaptor) of the Atari 2600 videogame console.
http://www.atarihq.com/danb/files/TIA_HW_Notes.txt

March 14, 2017 at 1:29 PM

Blogger artag said...

Any idea why Datapoint rejected both TI and intel designs ? Did they use a third entrant ?

March 15, 2017 at 4:00 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Adrian: I've heard a variety of reasons why Datapoint rejected the TI and Intel microprocessors: they couldn't get the chips to work reliably, they had a new switching power supply that eliminated the cooling issues from TTL, the chips came too late, etc. In any case, Datapoint redesigned their circuit board to use the 74181 ALU chip, which was much faster than the microprocessors. It took several years before microprocessors were faster than TTL.

March 16, 2017 at 8:15 AM

Blogger dezgeg said...

Another semi-well-known chip using a shift register as the program counter: the CIC copy protection chip used on the NES: https://hackmii.com/2010/01/the-weird-and-wonderful-cic/. It is apparently based on some 4-bit Sharp mask ROM microcontroller.

BTW, apparently there were all kinds of interesting defeats made for the CIC, such as feeding negative voltage pulses to its gpio inputs: http://www.kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/

March 24, 2017 at 7:28 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

The 8008 databooks show a bus driver or transceiver between the internal and external data bus. Does any such bus driver exist on the die or are each of the internal registers directly attached with their inputs/outputs directly to the internal and external bus? Since T4 and T5 mirror the internal bus to the external, it seems like maybe they are actually directly connected. If there are transistors driving the external data bus, why such pathetic current specs and no level shifters to make inputs truly TTL compatible?

October 26, 2022 at 5:09 PM

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