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"Looking inside a vintage Soviet TTL logic integrated circuit"

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Blogger modwizcode said...

Any thoughts on why the layout feels so much nicer/cleaner than some of the equivalent American chips implementing similar functionality?

One guess I had is that maybe it was more generic and reconfigurable with just masking than some of the equivalents?

March 16, 2020 at 7:17 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

modwizcode: you're probably right that the ability to re-use the layout was a motivation in keeping the design clean. In addition, I suspect that American chip manufacturers had much more pressure to squeeze out extra space to reduce cost. In comparison, the soviet chip has a lot of wasted space.

March 16, 2020 at 8:18 PM

Blogger Franc said...

My first thought on the unused components was that they could use those with some reconfiguration of the "wires" on the die.
Chuck out a lot of the same dies and in the last step(s) you wire it to be a certain type of chip.
Probably saves a ton on machines and makes quality control easier, at the cost of a slightly larger footprint.

March 17, 2020 at 12:36 AM

Blogger Jalvar said...

Good article to learn electronics, congratulations

March 17, 2020 at 2:47 AM

Blogger spbnick said...

I suppose instead of "Thus, the input will float" you wanted to write "Thus, the output will float".

The reason Soviet chip numbers were organized was probably because they started copying already a considerable selection, instead of coming up with numbers as they developed them, like US did.

Wonderful article, as usual. Thanks a lot!

March 17, 2020 at 3:33 AM

Blogger Jecel said...

"The longer the path, the higher the resistance, so the resistors typically zig-zag back and forth to create the desired resistance."

This is good enough for this post. It would be a little more correct to say that the higher the ratio of the length to the width, the higher the resistance. So a path that is twice as wide and twice as long would have the same resistance. It would be able to carry twice the current, but would take up roughly four times the area. So if we can get away with it, we want to make all the resistors the minimum width in order to occupy the minimum area. That seems to be the case in this design, so with all resistors the exact same width the length is the only thing that matters.

March 17, 2020 at 2:10 PM

Blogger Serge MxS said...

Hi! This IC is my childhood's toys. I've play a lot with it. :)
To let you know that much IC in the simple clock was used to provide redundancy and fault protection for the device. This is space gear so it just cannot fail due to production defects.
Also these ICs are probably radiation hardened as was used in space at high radiation level.

March 17, 2020 at 2:55 PM

Blogger nophead said...

Great article as usual Ken. One line I would take issue with though:


Note that Q1 isn't acting like a normal transistor, but instead is "current-steering", directing the current from R1 in one direction or the other.


When one of the inputs goes low the transistor will operate in common base mode and actively pull current out of the base of Q2, turning it off faster than would the case if Q1 was replaced with diodes.

March 18, 2020 at 5:46 AM

Blogger Peter Sobolev said...

As for better numbering of Soviet chips, it's mainly because of planned economy - the state introduced standards which organizations (also state-owned) had to follow. However, there were a lot of chips that broke logical numbering system (it depended on who originaly ordered creation of given chip, I think).

March 18, 2020 at 8:52 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

The crystal is very different from the original 7400. Here a special method of isolation of elements is applied. This method is needed for high radiation resistance.

March 24, 2020 at 7:34 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This one is RTL technology. Resistor-Transistor-Logic.

March 26, 2020 at 3:38 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Unknown: no, it is TTL, Transistor Transistor Logic, as I explain in the article.

March 26, 2020 at 8:53 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes, you are right. My fault. Looked for wrong part code. This one is the right datasheet: http://www.155la3.ru/datafiles/134la8.pdf

March 26, 2020 at 9:06 AM

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