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"Restoring Y Combinator's Xerox Alto, day 2: Repairing the display"

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Blogger Unknown said...

Chris Kuntz at pinballpirate.com has a CRT rejuvenator.

July 1, 2016 at 9:58 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

"CRT tube" == "Picture Tube"

July 1, 2016 at 11:42 AM

Blogger CuriousMarc said...

Actually the casing was not metal, but surprisingly enough a light fiberglass casting.
Marc

July 1, 2016 at 1:33 PM

Anonymous Jofish said...

>Removing the variable resistor (below) and cleaning it with alcohol improved the situation somewhat.

Regarding this, I highly recommend DeoxIT. It does far better than any alternative I've ever tried for this, including alcohol. Uh... this:

https://smile.amazon.com/Hosa-D5S-6-DeoxIT-Contact-Cleaner/dp/B00006LVEU

July 1, 2016 at 6:13 PM

Blogger kb3pxr said...

Before rejuvenating the tube, check to make sure everything else is good. The rejuvenator will have a tester in it as well. Causes of dim picture can be:

-Low emission (what you are suspecting), sometimes when a tube is in storage it just needs to be run a while to get better emission
-Excessive voltage on the cathode or grids
-Insufficient high voltage
-Insufficient video gain
-Insufficient heater voltage (should be 6.3)

Also if you cannot rejuvenate a weak tube, but the tube still creates a dim picture, you can borrow some time (not recommended) by increasing the heater voltage above specification (7 or 8 volts) as was done in the 50s.

July 2, 2016 at 1:57 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ditto what kb3pxr said! Frankly I would replace every electrolytic capacitor on that board. They do not age well and have a lifespand typically 30-40 years before they start to change value. A bad cap can easily cause a weak output, as can a resistor that's drifted in value (quite common actually).

Second, if it comes down to it and you decide the tube is shot, there are no known rebuilders left for CRTs. The Early Television Foundation (earlytelevision.org) acquired the equipment from Hawkeye, the last rebuilder, when they stopped the service in 2010. They've slowly been bringing it back up and are working toward providing CRT rebuilding services once again to the restoration community.

July 3, 2016 at 10:46 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ugh..submitted before finishing. Adding to the last comment, you might connect with the ETF to see if they could acquire a replacement tube (NOS with luck) or a compatible substitute.

July 3, 2016 at 10:48 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Just wanted to say that you are doing a great job with this restoration.
Congratulations!

Jose Lizcano

July 5, 2016 at 10:50 AM

Blogger MiaM said...

I agree with the previous comments re double checking that it's not something else than the CRT

My experience (mostly with tellys but also with some computer CRTs) is that you usually get bad focus when the picture is bright on a worn out CRT but you seldom have trouble getting enough brightness if you disregard the blurryness that results from bad focus.

July 6, 2016 at 6:51 PM

Blogger Richard Brown said...

I'm having a lot of fun following your progress. Please keep posting frequently! This all reminds me of when computers were for tinkering, not tweets.

July 6, 2016 at 9:20 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

IFR did a similar thing on the A-7550 and A-8000 spectrum analyzers. To achieve the needed update rates in the vertical axis, they used up-and-down, rather than horizontal scan, but the tube was mounted "conventionally" with the tube's wide axis horizontal.

The problem was that they used an off the shelf raster scan monitor assembly-generally marketed for use in cash registers as a TTL video monitor-and did not have full schematics for the device. In addition, the supplier changed internal design details on the unit several times. Each time they had to completely reverse engineer the device to modify it to their custom specifications.

I'm pretty sure there was a patent number on this but it does not come up with "IFR SYStems' or Harold Selim as an assignee or inventor.

July 8, 2016 at 12:11 AM

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