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"Understanding silicon circuits: inside the ubiquitous 741 op amp"

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Blogger Dogzilla said...

The date code on the 741 looks like its the 47th week of 1981 (8147).

October 30, 2015 at 8:40 AM

Blogger Ed said...

Nice post! The 25 microchips article estimates that 741s sold in the hundreds of millions - I might have guessed even higher.

An interesting thing about resistors on planar semiconductors: the resistance depends on the aspect ratio of the rectangle (or snake) so resistances tend to be sized in 'squares' - often the exact sheet resistance in ohms per square isn't important. But you do have to account for corners, if you can't match the number of corners. I think a corner is worth about half a square. And orientation might matter too, so try to match that.

October 30, 2015 at 11:02 AM

Blogger Darrell said...

Thanks for the great writeup the interactive parts are awesome!

October 30, 2015 at 11:38 AM

Blogger Patrick J.P - Os visionários eram chamados de loucos. said...

Very good post and awesome blog !

October 31, 2015 at 1:37 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cool post. Thanks!

November 2, 2015 at 7:59 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Great post! When I was a teen (back in the 60's :-) ), I cut open several T0-5 cased transistors and op-amps and this is a GREAT explanation of how circuits are fabricated in silicon. After opening the transistor cases and seeing how tiny the actual die was, it makes perfect sense that tiny circuits could be made from these. I'm bookmarking THIS blog!

November 10, 2015 at 10:48 AM

Blogger Moosteron said...

Possibly the best lab experiment I did as an EE undergraduate was to view a 741 under an electron microscope, as I recall as SEM but with the beam switched off. It was fed with a low frequency (0.1Hz maybe) sine wave and was in open loop. So you could see the input stages gradually getting lighter and darker as the charge on them accumulated and dissipated, while the output stages would flip back and forth between light and dark as they were saturating. I think it's the only time I have seen visual evidence that electronics really works at a physical level.

November 12, 2015 at 12:58 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great post - I really found it interesting. Thanks!

November 13, 2015 at 9:52 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Beautiful explanation with beautiful interactive media! I love it

May 13, 2016 at 3:47 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Beautiful explanation with beautiful interactive media! I love it

May 13, 2016 at 3:49 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terrific!Learn a lot !

October 28, 2016 at 7:24 PM

Blogger J. Peterson said...

Most of the photo links in this post broke when Picasaweb closed. If you get a chance to revisit it, it'd be nice to update them - tiny electronic parts warrant a closer look.

December 8, 2016 at 11:05 AM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

J. Peterson: thanks for letting me know about the links. With considerable effort I've moved all the images off Picasaweb to Amazon S3, which hopefully will be more reliable and won't break my links.

December 11, 2016 at 12:31 PM

Anonymous Luke D said...

Great article!
Do you have a high resolution die image?

May 25, 2020 at 7:58 PM

Blogger Evan said...

It took me a minute to recognize how the capacitors work. Presumably they consist of two large plates, one on top of the other, separated by a dielectric. I would be interested to see a cross-sectional view... would both plates be metal, or would they be made of semiconductor?

May 27, 2021 at 12:04 PM

Blogger Ken Shirriff said...

Evan: the capacitors consist of a metal layer over the silicon, separated by silicon dioxide. The metal forms one plate and the silicon forms the second plate.

May 28, 2021 at 10:32 AM

Anonymous Yūtarō said...

Have you measured the values of each transistor, such as VCEo, VCBo, VEBo, and hFE?

March 23, 2022 at 12:49 AM

Blogger TonyChung said...

I put those reversed AD741 circuit in spice and it works partially. I found that Q17 emitter 50K ohm resistor seems too big to pull collector of Q7 to low state. I changed this resistor to 50 ohmn. And it works.

April 18, 2022 at 8:51 PM

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