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"Christian Zionism: The Tragedy & The Turning"

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Blogger M. C. Bruecke said...

Languages evolve. Gestures, being a type of language, also evolve. The meaning of words and gestures are not fixed in time (or geography) to have only one meaning for all time or all places or all circumstances.

I don't care whether or not Helen Keller worshiped the devil or was influenced by occultist signs and messages. Helen Keller did not invent American Sign Language (ASL), so to say that her religious beliefs inserted devil signs into ASL is misleading. As far as I know from my 3 semesters of ASL in college and a brief Wiki search, Thomas Hopkins Gallaudet borrowed from the French sign language and many other places and created ASL.

The "I love you" hand sign is a composite of signed letters I, L, and Y.

I take issue that the very common ASL sign for "I love you" taught even to infants before they can talk is misconstrued to represent only a sign for "I love the devil", like in the image of the hand in a circle with a blue background in the posting above.

There is a difference between the "devil" sign (index and pinky up, thumb holding two middle fingers) and the "I love you" sign (index and pinky up and thumb out, while middle fingers are down.)

Fans of Texas football are known to give the "longhorn" sign, which is no different than the "devil" sign. This is the meaning I take from seeing former Texas Governor Bush or his daughters give the "longhorn" sign.

If you ever injure your hand (or study ASL), you'll recognize that the hand only has so many positions, so context in ASL determines meaning.

Here is a case in point relating to the "devil" sign. I recall a popular sign being resting the forearm of one arm on top of the forearm of the other arm such that wrists were to elbows. The hand of the arm on top would make the "devil" sign while the other hand would alternate repeatedly between almost a fist and fingers spread wide. Did it mean devil? No. It meant "bullshit".

I'm not saying that world leaders don't make Satanic signs to cue others.

What I'm saying is that all occurrences of a particular hand position do not equate to devil worship. So be careful in what you read into things.

September 13, 2010 at 12:33:00 PM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

Once again you are wrong. The Long horn sign is the little finger and thumb with the three middle fingers down and a twisting motion with both. There is no way to mistake the two, they are clearly different.

Even if true, listen to what you are saying....the following people have been photographed giving that El Diablo sign or "sign for the deaf", now you tell me which it is based on who is doing it all around the world at the same time. LOL

1. The king of Jordan (right, he is rooting for the texas A & M team, LOL)
2. The Prime minister of So Korea. (I have the photos of all these I am mentioning) And he is either deaf or an aggie football fan??? Right. lol
3. Bush, Obama, Hillary and Bill clinton, Dick Cheney, (no question Cheney would signal he loves someone.... hahahahaaa.
4.William, the future king of England, yes, an aggie fan. LOL
5. Tony Blair, deaf or an aggie fan.....hehehe
6. Prime minister brown, Campbell, same
7 Russian president Putin, definitely an aggie fan. lol
8. President of Iran, (he is most definitely deaf and an aggie fan, no doubt about it.... lol
9. George Bush "skull and bones" senior....yup a man from connecticut who spends no time in texas is an aggie fan. Or a loving man.... lol on halceon. lol
10. Madonna, a real aggie fan
11. Michael Jackson....oops, he told us on the video on this very blog what that hand sign meant and why he does it and its all associated with the satanic works that he exposed in a major press conference and then died mysteriously shortly thereafter. He also knew his life was going to be on the line for doing so.

GIVE ME A FRIGGEN BREAK. Nobody can be that far into denial such that they cannot see the connections between all these people at the pinnacle of their professions. Damn. lol No wonder we are going bye bye. The PROTOCOLS ARE RIGHT, THE GOYIM ARE SO DUMB THEY WILL BELIEVE ANYTHING THE Zionists tell us.

September 13, 2010 at 12:55:00 PM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

Forgot to mention, the bohemian grove is just a few businessmen trying to relax in private.... that burning a child in effigy is just a game and the owl god which by the way has the same features as the goat god, is also just a great big statue that they got at a rummage sale and put up there for no reason.

Absolutely.... yeah right.... lololololo. Ignore the man behind the curtain, there is no one there pulling the strings, ignore, like 9-11, ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT POINTS TO WHAT, HOW, WHEN AND WHO.... IGNORE IT.... ITS NOT REAL. lol

September 13, 2010 at 12:59:00 PM MDT

Anonymous American Action Report said...

Brueke's entire message comes down to one simple point: A hand sign may be used by some people to signal Satan worship, but it doesn't mean that every time someone uses that sign. Besides, the aggie/Satanist sign involves the display of two fingers. The abbreviation for "I love you" involves three: the pinkie, the forefinger, and the thumb.
I took a year of weekly sign language lessons, and I've taken masters-level courses in linguistics. I seriously believe that the three-finger abbreviation for "I love you" is a far more recent invention than the three-gesture "I love you" adapted by Thomas Gallaudet. It goes as far back as the 1980's, but I don't think it goes as far back as Gallaudet.
You did, however, make a valuable contribution by pointing out that Christian Zionists have been known to hold up two--not three--fingers while praying on television. When I was in high school, that gesture was used to mean, "Go to hell." That's close enough to make me wonder about those phoney preachers.

September 13, 2010 at 8:26:00 PM MDT

Blogger M. C. Bruecke said...

Before you go calling me wrong on the correct way to give the Texas Longhorn hand sign, it would be nice if you would google "Texas longhorn hand sign" to be sure.

What do you get? Images of hands with the index finger and pinky up and the middle & ring fingers held by the thumb... just like the "diablo" sign. You don't get what you describe.

The sign that you mention with the pinky up and thumb out and three middle fingers down, that is sort of a Hawaiian for "Aloha". Again, just google "Hawaiian hand sign" and you'd see.

Context, Vatic, context. That same "Aloha" sign is used for "chillin'" and possibly has hidden gang meanings, just like the Texas Longhorn sign might have different meanings if faced in or faced out, up or sideways, as part of gang identification or not.

But for you to get the "Texas Longhorn" sign wrong, for you to misattribute Helen Keller as the founder of ASL and for bringing in some sort of a "I love the devil" sign is as "I love you", means you don't know as much about these hand signs as you think, and that if you don't know context of WHEN they were given, you won't truly know their meaning.

September 13, 2010 at 8:27:00 PM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

You miss the point completely..... go back and read my first response and keep reading it until the ludicrousness of it hits you about what all these world leaders at the very top and the world leaders in the christian zionist religion and the top leaders in the music industry are all doing OK????

According to you they are either.

1. deaf and communicating an I love you sign.

2. Showing their support of the Texas aggies

3. Lying about what it means as Michael Jackson showed us.

Listen Bruecke, on this I understand you are a zionist and you hate that I do this, but its done and there is nothing that can stop it. If your going to google something important try "THE FRANKLIN SCANDEL" AND THE "DUNBLANE MASSACRES" OF CHILDREN BY AN AVOWED SATANIST IN BRITIAN. Now Tell me those leaders are signing "I love you" when they are satanists that I documented right here on this site.

You ignore the big picture because you are unable to put puzzle pieces together into a big picture, you get caught up in the minutae and lose the ability to see the forest for the trees. So, I am done here now. You can keep on in your deep denial but fortunately for us, most are getting it and getting it good. I am busy, trying to dig out facts about big things, so if you want to dig out facts about aloha hand switching, please keep going and maybe you can write up something about that as filler for when we are slow.

September 13, 2010 at 10:59:00 PM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

Bruecke, I forgot to mention... you can go to the search button on here above and put in satanism, and pull up the massive amount of research done and the sources.

When you are done with that pull up Satanic Ritual abuse, and also pedophilia. We have discussed this before. UNTIL YOU ARE WILLING TO DO DEEP RESEARCH ON THESE SUBJECTS YOU CHOSE TO PONTIFICATE ON, YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WITHSTAND the research against you. Do do it and then come back and make arguements of value, not excuses that are so lame its almost funny.

Really, I am serious. World leaders signaling their support for the texas aggies... please, its embarrassing. seriously. It is. lol

September 13, 2010 at 11:05:00 PM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

American Action Report: While anecdotal information such as you and Bruecke have provided, is useful and interesting, it still does not explain the international reach and use in public on TV and film of the use of that sign by leaders in all those different fields.

Also go back and relook at the drawings and notice the satanic handsigns of ancient times include the one with the thumb out and each of the configuration of hand signs has a satanic meaning.

Remember also that the thumb out for the satanists means "I love you Satan". So, yes, that is what it means....its just a direct message to satan that he is loved.

Remember also, that the zionists as you now well know having come a very long way in the past two years in learning about them, that they used "JEWS" as cover for their agenda and it worked. Jews got blamed for what they non Jewish Khazar zionists were doing.

Well, given their purposeful decision to do that which is like hiding in plan sight, don't you think they would do the same thing hiding behind Helen, "the Occultist" Kellers sign language program she provided to the deaf???

Finally, which one of the "pathetic" excuses, do you believe would fit these guys who all do this to each other at the highest levels of their professions???

Do you honestly think the President of south Korea or prime minister of Japan is signaling "I love you?" Do you honestly think George W. "Kill millions of Iraqis" Bush is signaling at the inauguration ball "I love you?" or "I am rooting for the aggies" When in fact he won the election through a coup of the supreme court, thus the only explanation that runs through for all these guys and GIVEN OTHER EVIDENCE, SUCH AS THEIR ATTENDANCE TO THE BOHEMIAN GROVE, WORSHIPPING THE OWL GOD, THE BURNING OF A CHILD IN EFFIGY, ETC. That its more likely those hand signs are satanic???

Nothing else explains all the coincidences and coordination across, national, georgraphic, and political lines as well as occupational related to the political as well.

Come on, go back and reread my first answer and subsequent answers to him. I have experience with you and you are not one to ridgidly and rabidly hang on to something no matter what when common sense rears its head. Take you time and also remember all the other satanic articles we have had on here and who were the people involved and they "COINCIDENTIALLY" are the same people????

September 14, 2010 at 6:42:00 AM MDT

Anonymous American Action Report said...

Vatic, please look at the photos you used as illustrations. Where's the thumb? Is it pressed against the two middle fingers (the two-fingered Satanist gesture) or is it pointing away from the hand (the three-fingered "I love you" gesture)?

September 14, 2010 at 6:47:00 AM MDT

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Vatic:
Their is a vast difference in the University of Texas Longhorns (who use the "hook em horns" sign), and the AGGIES of Texax A&M University (who have no hand sign that I or my wife know of that would be similar to the devil sign or the hook em horns sign- my wife would know, as she and her family attended A&M). People of either university DO NOT like to be mistakenly associated or referred to. So be careful and do not improperly interchange Longhorns and Aggies, eh! Hope this helps.
Angus

September 14, 2010 at 8:46:00 AM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

Just found a pic from probably the 30's showing satanists using he exact same hand signal in a satanic ritual with the pentagram and circle which, now that I think about it is also the symbol on the Israeli flag isn't it? Hmm, the entire country is a fan of the long horns. LOL

Thank you anonymous, I guess if anecdotal evidence can be given by one side, it can certainly be given by the other side, so I thank you. I was told that before by a Long Horn graduate that I know here in the town I live it and he also told me they are not the same and he is the one who showed me how it works, which is what you were saying the hook em horns.

I also did google it and ended up on the Texas long horn site and read from some writer about how it came about.... then I checked out the writers bio summary and guess what.... LOL he is Director of the texas u heritage society which is a massive national neocon ORGANIZATION that helped put the New American Century think tank paper PAX AMERICANA in distribution and promotion of it calling for just such a 9-11.

So apparently after GW made all those hand signs all over the place in 2000, they decided to put up a picture that looks like the one GW used.

My friend showed me, that because the horns on a long horn are different than any other cattle, the signal is the thumb and small finger swivelled back and forth, which then looks more like a real long horn cattles horns. I did see GW do that one time, but was not aware then of what he was doing and the difference.

September 14, 2010 at 10:16:00 AM MDT

Blogger Vatic said...

American action Report - there are three illustrations up there and two show the thumb holding down the middle fingers and the other one is with the thumb out which is the "I love Satan" symbol. So there are three messages one with each one you use.

I have decided that since people simply will not do the work to educate themselves on a complex subject, That I am going to do a big one on this subject of occult, symbolisms etc. And every single picture I have of every single leader in every single field on this planet, is going to go up on the board and then let someone try to convince me all those people are long horn lovers..... right. lol

September 14, 2010 at 8:25:00 PM MDT

Blogger dawnatilla said...

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT THEOSOPHY..IT IS NOT A CULT...ANYONE WHO HAS READ STEINER (THE CREATOR OF THEOSOPHY) WOULD NEVER SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT..YOU ARE GRAVELY MISTAKEN SIR.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT I WANT TO COMMEND U ON YOUR SITE...IT IS TOP NOTCH !!!!!!!

June 17, 2011 at 4:51:00 AM MDT

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