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"Social mechanisms and meso-level causes"

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Anonymous Lee A. Arnold said...

Very interesting argument. I am trying to draw a picture of this for pedagogical purposes, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKXlqRIA92U&list=PLT-vY3f9uw3AcZVEOpeL89YNb9kYdhz3p

September 6, 2013 at 2:03 AM

Blogger Zora said...

What follows is a possibly naive comment from a non-philosopher.

What matters is the illusion of unanimity presented by the meso-level entity. Whatever debates and struggles may be on-going inside the entity, it tries to present a unified face to outsiders. "This is what we believe." "This is what we will do." The outsider, who knows nothing or little of internal struggles, is likely to accept these statements as expressing what a solid block of other actors believe and will do. Those beliefs and expectations are the causal power.

Hence the universal tendency of organizations to protect the illusion of unanimity. When that breaks down, they lose their effectiveness.

September 6, 2013 at 6:13 PM

Blogger jed said...

I agree with all but details of what you said, but have two unresolved issues:

- How can anyone argue that meso-level social entities *don't* have causal powers, but maintain that multi-cellular entities (such as humans) *do* have causal powers? (footnote 1) Obviously this isn't specific to your argument but seems like "an elephant in the room" that makes detailed justification almost beside the point.

- Taking for granted that meso-level entities *do* have causal powers, how do those powers work? (Not in the sense of reduction to micro-foundations, but at the meso-level.) We seem to need (a) meso-level interactions that can be concretely analyzed and measured and/or (b) downward causation, where the meso-level entities cause micro-level effects. I think both are important but would settle for a good analysis of either.

Footnote 1: One could argue that multi-cellular organisms like humans are different because all the cells have the same genome, arise from the same egg, etc. But this won't work since there are lots of examples multi-cellular organisms to whom we grant causal powers even though they contain multiple distinct genomes. Even a human consists of more bacteria than mammalian cells.

September 6, 2013 at 10:39 PM

Anonymous Jim Shoch said...

In light of your view expressed here, how would you understand the causal role of the U.S. Congress? It seems to me that although congressional decisions have important social effects, it's very difficult to understand congressional action without understanding the behavior of individual members of Congress, who are motivated by varying mixes of ideology, constituent responsiveness, partisan pressure, etc. This strikes me as a case where "weak microfoundationalism" is not enough; the actual microfoundations of congressional behavior need to be traced. Perhaps the answer here is that Congress is not a meso-level entity or structure but rather a macro-one that has to be analyzed differently.

September 9, 2013 at 3:38 PM

Anonymous Doug Blum said...

I entirely agree with the thrust of this important argument: macro-level explanations are sufficient and defensible -- but with one crucial caveat. And that is an adequate demonstration of the (as you say, ontologically necessary) microfoundations. I'm not sure what you mean by prima facie in this context, though, since if the macro-structures in question possess emergent properties, I think this ought to be traced, empirically. Obviously that doesn't need to be done in each case; once the requisite microfoundations and their ongoing links with emergent structures have been revealed, it is not necessary to point them out every time we wish to offer a macro-level explanation. But it does need to be done - it ought not to be simply assumed. In a manuscript I'm finishing just now, I try to show how micro-level mechanisms are *dynamically interconnected*, in a mutually causal sense, with macro-level structures (specifically, norm clusters and associated norm circles). In any case, I would guess that you agree with my main point, Dan, but I'd be very curious to get your thoughts on the issue.

September 18, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Anonymous Doug Blum said...

Quick clarification: I mistakenly refer to "macro" rather than "meso" level causes in my comment above. But I hope my point is still clear (meso-level factors are, after all, relatively more macro than micro-level factors!).

September 20, 2013 at 2:12 PM

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