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"The moral basis for an extensive state"

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Anonymous Hannu T. said...

I found your discussion very interesting and just want to make two additional points. First, I find Andedersen et al. a little bit puzzling in a way that they acknowledge the success of the Nordic model but somehow try to make a statement without a clear justification that it cannot work anymore. Second, Pestieau in his book "The Welfare state in the European Union" notes in Esping-Andersen's typology that '[w]e thus have several triptychs. On the left, one finds the state, the virtue of equality, Rousseau, the social democracy. In the center, one can see the family and the firm, the virtue of fraternity and solidarity, Hobbes and a corpostist society. On the right, there is the market, the virtues of freedom and liberty, Locke and a market economy.'

August 31, 2011 at 6:04 AM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Hannu, thanks for both points. As for the first -- I don't read Andersen et al coming to the negative conclusion about the future of this model. They acknowledge there are difficult challenges and are doubtful that some traditional solutions will work to solve these. But the productivity growth they mention in the quoted passage is a very favorable sign.

The Pestieau quote is interesting. I might place thei position they call "center" a little differently, as the communitarian left along the lines of Michael Sandel.

August 31, 2011 at 7:41 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

My feeling is that the cluster of values would be adopted in its weakest possible form inside a state as large and as heterogeneous as the USA, as its appeal depends on the extent to which values are shared across the aggregate population. I wonder whether the denizens of those Nordic countries would be so strongly supportive of these elements were they to be applied EU-wide as opposed to just among "their people". Perhaps only the Finns were brazen enough to suggest collateral but I imagine similar thoughts went through the minds of many of the taxpayers in the neighboring countries. The theory of the minimal state becomes much easier to sell when its function can be depicted as mainly a financial transfer mechanism to outsiders, whether by trade or by open borders.

August 31, 2011 at 9:59 AM

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