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"Demystifying social knowledge"

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Blogger ciceronianus said...

For what it is worth, I'm inclined to agree with you on this issue. The "philosophical" approach of those like Marx seems to lead, ultimately, to a reliance on certain assumptions which result in the proclaiming of a kind of standard which is to be applied in understanding each situation, and even it predicting outcomes. It seems a dangerously simple way of analyzing complex phenomena.

October 18, 2009 at 10:28 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for this careful exposition; I'm interested in following up at least two of the links you provided.

The discouraging part of the project you propose (reconciling or combining both approaches) is that any result will itself be subsumed into a larger social agenda. For example, the rationalism of the Englishtenment led to concepts of universal suffrage and political revolution, but they in turn only bolstered the existing power structures of society.

A marxist view? Yes. But hard to refute.

October 18, 2009 at 11:13 AM

Blogger Burk said...

Thanks- fascinating post. But I would offer physics as a completely functional paradigm of what is going on here in the relationship between theory and experiment.

There are no useful experiments without a theory to structure them, and there are no useful theories without data to inform them. Theory in physics deals in countless shadowy, unseen forces and entities, much as the various ideologies of social theory have attempted to define underlying principles and motivations, likewise.

Just because these constructs have not been terribly successful and have great difficulty pinning down the protean and dynamic character of human conscious adaptability and unconscious dynamics doesn't mean that they don't have a similar relationship to the observed, empirical and measurable sphere of social science as do quarks, magnetic fields, etc.

October 18, 2009 at 1:59 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Burk Braun, good comment, but when you say "Just because these constructs have not been terribly successful and have great difficulty pinning down the protean and dynamic character of human conscious adaptability and unconscious dynamics doesn't mean that they don't have a similar relationship to the observed, empirical and measurable sphere of social science as do quarks, magnetic fields, etc." its not clear to what extent you mean something like

a) the unstated relationship to the observable is clear in the theorist's head but they didn't get around to telling us, or

b) there might exist such a relationship, though nobody knows for sure, and its a good use of effort for others to try and spell out what it might be, or

c) you don't actually care so much about the particulars of the actual relationship but instead think of the theorist as a something like a pure mathematician who is just laying out a structure that someone else could apply someday for some particular purpose if they happen to find a suitable relationship mapping to a phenomena that interests them, though in this case, the critical theories are not theories of *society* but rather just theories of some possible society..

November 7, 2009 at 11:35 AM

Blogger Burk said...

Hi, Anonymous-

a. Definitely not. Social theorists are not holding anything back- we can be sure of that, at least.

b. This is pretty close, I guess. Social theorists have been groping for underlying keys to a unified description of society and its change over time. From great man theories, to materialistic ones based on the means of production, theorists are looking for simplifying keys that would allow generalization where mostly we are stuck with ad hoc historical stories.

c. This might be formally correct, but in reality, it never happens, since existing and past societies are plenty to deal with, without getting into science fiction scenarios of alternate human natures and societal settings. In mathematics, one could get bored with algebra and go into Keinian geometry to relieve the tedium, which may or may not have applications to reality, as you say. But social theory has to begin not with formal postulates, but with the clay of human nature. Game theory might be the closest thing to a formal theory in social science looking for applications.

November 7, 2009 at 5:35 PM

Anonymous stagell said...

As a French man, this division between "empirical" and "critical" seems to me extremely artificial. Most of French sociology has try to do both at the same time, without considering it as a real challenge. Pierre Bourdieu, who is arguably the most important French sociologist of the 20th century, has built a critical theory of society, in the tradition of Marx and Weber, through meticulous studies of society, combining all sorts of methodologies (statistics, ethnological fieldwork, etc.). He rejected at the same time empiricists like Lazarsfeld and "critical theory".

And that's what we have to do. To have a reflexive and critical use of empiricist observation techniques to built a reality grounded critical theory of society. And it's not a new challenge: just read Bourdieu. You've got it.

November 7, 2009 at 11:14 PM

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