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"Are organizations emergent?"

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Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

I, and probably others, by now, have claimed that individuals hold interests, motive and preferences (IMPs) which may change, over time, with successive changes in circumstances, contingencies and so on. Another way of characterizing this morphosis is responsive consciousness. Persons who grow and learn, all else holding normally, are more responsively conscious at age twenty-five than they were at age ten. See Jean Piaget. Organizations may reflect this more or less because they are extensions of society and organizational leaderships evolve, as at least implied by Searle. Whether this represents evolution or emergence of both, very much depends on who one talks to and the individuals' IMPs. For example, an economist will have a nuanced position, different from that of a social scientist or psychology savant. You are on the right track, however.

August 16, 2023 at 6:46 AM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

Had another thought. One of the brothers, Matt or Mark, wrote something on emergence, years ago. I don't remember their last name, but they wrote well, IMO. This may mean not so much in your present context. Just thought I would pass along the thought. Emergence is different to how we mostly interpret evolution. However, contextual reality changes things. Along with the rest of what I have formerly described elsewhere. I am confused and perplexed with interdisciplinary and cross-disciplinary interests and efforts, regarding philosophical topics. An academic friend, in South America, is helping with that. If, and only if, I can get the name of the previously mentioned thinkers, I will share that with you. Carry on, Mr. Little.

August 16, 2023 at 5:14 PM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

Additional Information:
One of the Ridleys---Mark or Matt---wrote some things on emergence, years ago. Another composition dealt with evolution, so I don't know if that fits either. My own speculation says evolution precedes emergence. Unless and until evolution led us to responsive consciousness, emergence would have been a haphazard affair;a coin toss; 'chancy', at best. It has been awhile since I read the Ridleys. Just now added that word to my tablet's memory base, and corrected the machine"s mischaracterization of tablets as tables. There is little point in relying on AI, when it cannot handle simple, contextual matters. I would not bet my life or well being on it. Would you?
Those last dozen words did not require contextual clarification. Whew!

August 17, 2023 at 1:51 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Effectively you are describing a process where you identify some stable characteristic which seems to persist, and at the same time you try to identify processess both internal and external to the entity that support or induce that characteristic.

In that sense, why do we need to label as emergence what seems to be a way of saying that feedback mechanisms between layers in an organisation induce stable patterns?

A thermostat is causally sufficient for a stable temperature in the room even if the occupants of the room try to set it at different temperatures or if the organisation they are members of has set hard bounds for low/high values for target temperatures.

Should the temperature in the room be considered as a meso level emergent property or the outcome of feedback between organisation levels?


I apologize if I am grossly misrepresenting your arguments.

Thank you,

-Evan-

August 18, 2023 at 12:38 PM

Blogger Paul D. Van Pelt said...

After reading ideas and postulates over a number of years, I hold emergence is a key feature of a great many things, probably including what we call *consciousness* itself. My brother has gotten curious over this and lobbed a good one at me a couple of days ago. He said: *consciousness is a dimension*. I have not read everything on the topic, but had never read that before. The Swiss behaviorist, Piaget, more-or-less said the same thing on childhood development. One of the Ridleys wrote a book about emergence years ago. I have used the phrase, responsive consciousness, to draw an imaginary line, beyond which children, all things normal, cease being reactive sponges and become responsively conscious adults. This happens at different times in different individuals. So, yes, I think emergence is pretty influential, all ' round...like some *cosmic rule*---my autodidact, polymath brother again.

August 19, 2023 at 11:29 AM

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