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Anonymous Linca said...

About the last point, but kind of related to the main point - following Marcel Mazoyer, or Scott's Seein like a State, my understanding of agricultural productivity is that whatever the technical level, best productivity is reached with family-manned units of half a dozen workers, not large scale kolkhozes or industrial farms.

For example, (and I believe the picture at the top comes from VietNam ?), the Vietnamese Deltas are the most productive cultivated land around, and despite having the population density of you average Texas city downtown, and little to no mechanisation - no tractors for example - manage to export huge amounts of rice. The export surplus was created the year the land was returned from the collectivised organisations to the peasants families... And of course still require well-functioning, delta-scaled irrigation schemes (that are now being threatened by China keeping the water upstream).

June 12, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Blogger Peter T said...

Joachim Radkau (Nature and Power) makes the point that management of environmental commons is an affair of balancing multiple local interests in the light of specific local knowledge. Only localised management does this well, and it has failed wherever local management has been superceded by a more distant, larger power.

On the issue of productivity - it might not matter if small farms are less economically efficient than large ones if the key issue is restoring and maintaining environmental balance - many of us can eat less, but most of us won't be eating at all if the critical systems collapse.

June 13, 2012 at 6:10 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan, Can you tell us where the various quotations come form - those that are kl + page are not from Lin's CUP book.

On the debate with your daughter, my understanding, perhaps mistaken, is that economies of scale do not always hold in agriculture. Just don't ask me where I got that notion!

Thanks,
Jim

June 13, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Jim, I've now placed the page numbers into the citations in the post. You should be able to find them in the 1990 paper edition. Thanks for the comment about agriculture as well -- as Linca and Peter T also pointed out. Nonetheless: it's hard to see producing enough rice and grain for 8 billion people with non-mechanized, low-fertilizer, low-pesticide farming techniques -- isn't it?

June 13, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Linca, Thanks. Yes, the photo is from Vietnam. I'm looking at a few rice productivity statistics. Rice yields in traditional methods of cultivation in many parts of the world seem to average about 3600 kg/ha. Annual consumption needs in rice-intensive nutritional systems seem to average about 125 kg/capita milled rice (proportionally more unhusked rice). One estimate of labor input for Indonesian traditional rice farming that I was able to locate indicates about 1,500 hours per hectare -- close to one person-year per hectare (since agricultural labor isn't evenly distributed over the year). This implies the world would need close to 280 million rice farmers to supply rice to the global population. I think these figures also support your point about export rice production too -- each family could market about 80% of its crop. Of course these aren't the kinds of estimates that a real agricultural economist would be comfortable with!

June 13, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Anonymous Linca said...

Vietnam agriculture uses quite a lot of fertilizers (quite a few buffalos around, for pulling, not food) and especially pesticides ; rice varieties are also getting agronomical selection treatment.

The main problem about intensive rice cultivation is that there's not that many places in the world where it's a possible option... And the extension of HaNoi and SaiGon is destroying large quantities of that precious land.

One thing to remember is that modern agriculture in the West is optimised for productivity per worker, not per unit of land as in the rice deltas - and the more clearly limited resource is land, not workers...

June 13, 2012 at 6:15 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dan,
Thanks for the citations.

On the substantive point I may have been talking somewhat at cross-purposes. There are two issues scale and intensity. The economies of scale point I made seems correct (See Pranab Barhan Scarcity, Conflict & Cooperation MIT 2005 - page 33).

That does not address your point re: technical improvements. I am no luddite!

June 17, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

PS: I am coming to AA Monday 6/18 for a month. It would be great to meet up if you have time. I will email your office. JIm

June 17, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding your last point (productivity from small-scale ag), there is significant debate. In short, it is far from clear we that small-scale agriculture "cannot" be sufficiently productive, for numerous reasons, including: the 20-50% of recoverable food that is wasted worldwide; uneven distribution of food in most societies; seemingly high productivity of small-scale farms; "apples vs. oranges" comparison of small farms vs. large in that small farms with polycultures usually have their yields judged on a "single crop productivity per area" basis to compare to the same crops on large-scale farms even though they are producing a greater biomass of *total food* per unit area.

Robert Netting, among others, showed relatively high productivity from small farms, though Netting was always cautious in interpreting and generalizing this. Miguel Altieri has also consistently documented/claimed this higher productivity.

Highlights in this literature:
Rosset, The Multiple Functions and Benefits of Small Farm Agriculture
www.foodfirst.org/files/pb4.pdf

The International Assessment of Agriculture Knowledge, Science, Technology & Development (IAASTD), an internationally peer-reviewed report with over 200 contributing scientists: http://agassessment.org/ (full disclosure: I have a minor contribution to the report)

UN Special Rapporteur on the Right to Food:
http://www.srfood.org/images/stories/pdf/officialreports/20110308_a-hrc-16-49_agroecology_en.pdf

Small scale/organic ag in Africa:
unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf

It's also far from clear that large-scale agriculture can be maintained or cost-effective as oil becomes more and more scarce! And I've yet to see anyone establish how much of industrial ag's "economies of scale" result from being able to demand lower prices from suppliers (because of scale) as opposed to actually using biophysical resources more efficiently.

June 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM

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June 29, 2012 at 3:42 AM

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