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"Ideologies, policies, and social complexity"

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Blogger jlounsbury59 said...

Can you supply a larger image for the link to the loop diagram? The larger image you have now is difficult to read.

Thanks.

February 2, 2017 at 4:58 PM

Blogger Thornton Hall said...

This strikes me as the battle between those who recognize that Darwin has superseded Newton as the science of human affairs and those who have not.

One of the most difficult features of this is that the Newtonians (Reaganist Republicans or Marxist BernieBros) read "Newton" as synonymous with "science." Attempts to update the science are therefore rejected as anti-science. The ideologues really are products of Enlightenment Newtonianism, so, to them, all their enemies are enemies of the Enlightenment.

"Don't you think that science can help us understand the world?" they ask, demonstrating that we are talking past each other.

February 3, 2017 at 4:23 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Sorry, unfortunately this is the only version I have. Its only use here is illustrative.

February 3, 2017 at 5:29 PM

Blogger jlounsbury59 said...

Too bad. It is a neat diagram.

February 3, 2017 at 5:46 PM

Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks for writing this nice post. Historical and analytical sociology has contributed to specifying the way in which social phenomena can be analytically illustrated, paying much attention to causal mechanism. I have worked on applying the concept of causal mechanism to the welfare reforms in Korea. Looking forward to reading your future posts too!

February 15, 2017 at 11:25 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Fascinating post - while I agree with your assertion that figures like Hayek and Lenin produced an ideological and overly simplified version of the past, the do so to the extreme. Talking about large time-frames requires broad structures or theories of history to function. I have found micro-level practices especially interesting and integral to the story at all times; to my mind however, the overall story exists, and describing it is perhaps one of the most important functions of the practice.

February 15, 2017 at 5:09 PM

Anonymous JPL said...

"...the world has its own properties independent from our theories ..."

To make use of what we might call the "Kant- Putnam critical view", we understand the world in terms of the categories belonging to the language that we use to refer to it; and as theorists, we refer to the world with theoretical terms belonging to a theoretical system. A problem that social science has that is more of an issue than in the natural sciences is that the objects social scientists talk about and try to understand are not concrete, but abstract and constructed through language and social interaction; for example, 'polity', 'civil institution', 'regime', 'conservative', and so forth. It seems that one always needs to keep in mind the distinction between the reality of "pretheoretical objects", for example the concrete actions of actual people; and on the other hand the projection onto that reality of the theoretical terms, which may be crude or inappropriate with relation to that reality and thus hinder understanding. One needs the ability to describe reality in terms that are independent of the terms of the theoretical system, in particular to use a language that makes more distinctions than the theory considers relevant. This is especially necessary where the definition of the theoretical term is in question; e.g., the term 'conservative'. Linguistics makes use of the distinction between an -etic and an -emic description, where the -etic terminology allows for all possible acoustic distinctions, while the -emic focuses only on those distinctions relevant for describing the sound system of the given language; I'm saying social science in general needs an ability to give alternative -etic descriptions. One needs to be able to describe one and the same real object or social interaction with (at least) the two alternative descriptive languages.

The question wrt policy is one of practical evaluation of a finite number of particular proposals; that is a different activity from the process of causal analysis and explanation, an open-ended endeavour governed by slightly different logical structures. So yes, policy solutions should be founded on the best available causal understanding.

February 21, 2017 at 4:51 AM

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