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"Spartacus, Kitty Genovese, and social explanation"

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Anonymous rental elf said...

Nice article, thanks for the information.

February 26, 2011 at 10:01 AM

Blogger Big Mark 243 said...

Apathy.

I have been staring at this post all day trying to put all the different theories here together and gain an understanding. At first, the understanding that I had was that I should have paid more attention to sociology in when I was in school!

While the generality that these two examples share is that there were crowds present and there was an amount of anonymity to protect actores, the environment have little relation to each other.

The Kitty Genovese incident occured at a specific time and place where there was no specific set of social rules where expectations of other people were held of indviduals or groups. There was no sense of community in any of the observers as the climate was one where the social contract of being the keeper of our fellow man.

In the Spartacus example, that was not the case. The shared experience of subjugation beneath an oppressive system overrode any bias towards another person as everyone's had the same experience as there was no inflated sense of self or self-worth. All life had the same value. In the Genovese case I don't think that could be said which leads to the apathy that kept people from acting on behalf of the victim.

I am just some cat from the hinterlands... so any rebuttal would be apprciated..! But I think that the enviroments are dissimilar enough to where the lack of social cohesion in the NYC incident makes all the difference.

February 26, 2011 at 8:55 PM

Blogger Dan Little said...

Big Mark, thanks for thinking about this. You're putting your finger on one of the key issues in the cases: in some sense the two examples begin with a generally similar situation -- a group of people have the chance to help someone. The situations lead to very different outcomes. Why is that? Your suggestion is that the people in Queens don't have bonds of loyalty to each other (including Kitty) and the slave army does have such bonds; so the two groups behave differently. That's a possible explanation; and there are other possible explanations. It's even possible that each incident was highly conditioned by actions that occurred early, and that each could have turned out opposite. Kitty might have been rescued by a small group; and Spartacus might have been betrayed by a few people who wanted to save their lives.

February 26, 2011 at 9:27 PM

Blogger Peter T said...

William McNeil wrote about the bonding effect of rhythmic movement in groups (Keeping Together in Time) - a feedback between muscles and brain chemistry. Cf soldiers' drill, formal dances, group labour. Amplified by some other anthropologists who noted that building monumental structures may be an end in itself - the effort unites the group.

Which points to the very deep substrata of socially-constructed motivations, assumptions and perceptions that our conscious minds skate upon. These sorts of actions are less a decision in some context than a derivation from identities in a dialectic with a felt collectivity.

February 27, 2011 at 12:45 AM

Blogger Will said...

Good post. However! Someone must point out that the Kitty Genovese story is a myth concocted by an editor of the New York Times.

February 27, 2011 at 8:18 PM

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