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"Marc Kuchner about his book "Marketing for Scientists""

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11:44 AM, November 11, 2013

Blogger Uncle Al said...

A 60 - 80 wt-% water hydrogel cannot have the mechanicals of silicone rubber nor the refractive index of Plexiglas (gel contact lens). The competing academic had three years' industrial funding. His Theory of Experiment thick sheaf of response surfaces was Officially bright with portent. Know things, the Polymer Handbook, one Uncle Al experiment, then Invulneron.

How is the scientist who has not yet done it to be sold? Sales commissions from marketing flashy mediocrity offer a culture of bombastic failure, an Obama future. Mr. Kuchner trumpets the middle way and the eightfold path, the irresistible buoyancy of excrement. 21st century success is being the conduit not the filling.

11:46 AM, November 11, 2013

Blogger Robert L. Oldershaw said...

There is honest and effective communication of ideas.

And then there is hype, which may be quite effective, but is usually less than honest, i.e., not telling the whole balanced story and ignoring negative evidence.

Because the term "marketing" comes from the profit-driven world, it has a shady connotation.

Is there a better term for what is desired in the scientific world?

Has the distinction between these two worlds been blurred of late?

9:37 PM, November 11, 2013

Blogger Zephir said...

It's easy to become successful in tough times - just research something useful for people, not just for the rest of scientists.

For example, the quantum gravitists could research the scalar waves and antigravity drives, which would fit their qualification scope comfortably.

7:26 AM, November 12, 2013

Blogger Sabine Hossenfelder said...

Thank you, Zephir, for your valuable advice and for being such a great example to all of us.

10:26 AM, November 12, 2013

Blogger Uncle Al said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVuU2YCwHjw

Zephiroid borborygmus solving a complex problem. Watch the second orbit that plots the net path. This is an uncomfortable metaphor for 10^500 acceptable vacua, SUSY/MSSM superpartners, and dark matter.

11:41 AM, November 12, 2013

Blogger DocG said...

I can't believe this guy uses climate change as an example of weak marketing savvy, as opposed to that of the climate change "deniers." If you want a really good example of scientists marketing their "product" with maximum efficiency and effectiveness you can look no further than the tactics of the "global warming" crowd.

What was that huge blockbuster movie of Al Gore solemnly lecturing us about how we have to DO SOMETHING and DO IT NOW if not a perfect example of marketing at its most ambitious and sophisticated? Carl Sagan's "Billions and Billions" pales before the apocalyptic visions invoked on the wide screen by gory Al.

Al's marketing was so effective that it led almost immediately to 1. the advent of mandated ethanol production on such a huge scale it created a very serious food shortage and 2. the revival of the nuclear power industry, now being "marketed" as the surefire cure for carbon overload.

And what slogan coming out of the world of advertizing has been more widely quoted than that immortal phrase: "The Science." As though climate science took precedence over simple common sense and critical thinking.

11:09 PM, November 12, 2013

Blogger Cristi Stoica said...

'If all researchers had Marc Kuchner's "sell yourself" attitude, we'd end up with a community full of good advertisers, not full of good scientists.'

Kuchner never tells us to lie, or exaggerate the facts. He only tells us how to better communicate our results, not how to make them look better than they are. A paper, no matter how good results it contains, may be presented in a very poor form, and the great ideas may be hidden because we don't know to emphasize them. We want our papers to be read, our talks to be attended, etc.

People are subjective, and they will never admit that their preference toward a product is influenced that much by advertisement. People don't like to admit that advertising has such a power on them.
Especially scientists. We hate when we are told that the way scientific results are evaluated is subjective, and that marketing is important in science too.
We would like to be treated correctly, and we hope that the guys up-there in the top of the academia read thoroughly our papers, no matter how poorly are written, and compare them by using objective criteria with the others, and then give us the fair grants. But we all know this is not the case. Nobody is omniscient, nobody has the time to read everything in their field, hence it is impossible to make the ideal assessments of the research of our peers. For each application to an academic job or a grant, you are required to present 3-4 letters of recommendation from more senior colleagues. Does anyone believe that it doesn't matter who they are, and from what institutions? The winners are those better at marketing. We may hate this, but this is the sad truth. A web page is ranked by Google according to its page rank, which is a way to measure how much it is referred by other pages. There are similar page ranks in science, and they are used now to decide the quality of the papers, although they were initially developed for the use of librarians. Does anyone believe that the impact factors grow just because other scientists read all the papers equidistantly and decide what to cite? Everybody knows that we read most of the time based on recommendations, the name of the author, of the journal, etc. Very rarely we adventure "outside" to read a paper by someone we never heard of. Especially if it is not on arXiv. Branding is everywhere: the institute, the adviser, the team, the grant, the journal, the archive, the citations etc. Among the marketing tools we use: talks, interviews, public outreach, blogs etc.

In addition of helping us communicate better, Kuchner's book makes us be more aware that Darwinism is present in science, that some use the most dirty tricks to win the game of science. Like those mentioned by Bee:

'In quantum gravity phenomenology, you will frequently see claims that something has been derived when in fact it wasn't derived, or that something is a result, when in fact it is an ad-hoc assumption.'

But we don't like to be told that maybe we are winning the game of science because we are good at marketing. So we reject the very idea, and try to separate ourselves from it. Especially we hate that we may be using marketing and we don't know. But we can't avoid it, because marketing is everywhere.

11:37 AM, November 13, 2013

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