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Blogger Unknown said...

The last was just the 'icing on the cake' :).

Friday, December 02, 2011 9:00:00 pm

Blogger jeppo said...

From my perspective, creating 120,000 jobs and having unemployment drop four points is not too shabby at all. In Canada in November, 19,000 jobs were lost and unemployment went up one point to 7.4%.

That's two months in a row that jobs were created and the unemployment rate went down in the US, as opposed to two months in a row where jobs were lost and the unemployment rate went up in Canada. So comparatively speaking, America is doing reasonably well economically.

However, with the crisis in Europe driving investors to the US dollar and treasury bills, and the US government continuing to borrow and spend massively while maintaining low taxes, employment growth should be a given, in the short term anyway. And as MR points out, hundreds of thousand of Americans have dropped out of the labour force, so this growth may not be all it seems.

Obamanomics is simply not sustainable over the long term. Everyone knows this but no one seems to have a realistic plan and timeframe for balancing the budget. Mario Monti, the new Italian PM, has announced that Italy will balance their budget by 2013. So even the basketcase Italians are getting their fiscal house in order while budgetary discipline doesn't even seem to be an issue to the American political class. This isn't going to end well.

Friday, December 02, 2011 9:56:00 pm

Blogger Pastorius said...

Yeah, 120,000 part time seasonal Christmas jobs at the mall. Woo hoo. Obama's recovery is gonna put us all in Recovery.

Fuck Obama.

Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:22:00 am

Blogger Pastorius said...

Meanwhile, Jeppo, in the same month that 120,000 people got part time seasonal jobs at the mall, 395,000 people ran out of Unemployment benefits, meaning

THEY DROPPED OFF THE WELFARE ROLLS,

meaning,

THE GOVERNMENT NO LONGER CONSIDERS THEM UNEMPLOYED.

Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:23:00 am

Blogger jeppo said...

Interestingly enough, 20,000 government jobs were lost in November, meaning that 140,000 private sector jobs were created (probably not all of them seasonal work at the mall). Again, that compares favourably with 19,000 jobs lost in Canada, and the malls are supposedly packed here.

Even more interestingly, according to CNN, the black unemployment rate actually went up four points, from 15.1% to 15.5% (they didn't say what happened with the white unemployment rate). That makes me think that the new jobs weren't all a bunch of affirmative action seat-warming positions. But then again, maybe it's harvest season somewhere and all the jobs went to illegal alien crop pickers.

Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:49:00 am

Blogger Unknown said...

Hi guys.
Compare to December 2010.
The U.S. unemployment picture may seem unusually confusing these days. Gallup monitoring showed a sharp improvement in the jobs situation in November, particularly as companies added holiday workers. However, the government surprised Gallup and most other economic observers as it reported last month that the U.S. unemployment rate increased to 9.8% in November. It appears that the government made a larger seasonal adjustment than was generally anticipated for the month.ADP on Wednesday reported that the economy added 297,000 private-sector jobs -- far above the consensus expectation that the government on Friday will report the U.S. economy added 140,000 new jobs overall in December 2010.
Whatever the government reports about unemployment on Friday, Gallup's U.S. underemployment data for the end of 2010 show that nearly one in five Americans continue to be unemployed or employed part-time looking for full-time work.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145478/gallup-finds-unemployment-december.aspx

Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:57:00 am

Blogger Unknown said...

Incoming !

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/lies-damned-lies-and-unemployment-statistics_12022011

Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:11:00 am

Blogger midnight rider said...

Heh, great minds. . .

Saturday, December 03, 2011 1:51:00 am

Blogger Epaminondas said...

Brookings (institution of the left of center) just said we need to add 5 MILLION jobs to return to the day Obama was elected (which was 18 months after housing prices started sliding significantly, which was caused by the economy sliding even before that .... so a return to that level is not a return to wonder times).

To add 5 million jobs by the time the next president finishes a 4 year term that means we need to add 83,000 jobs a month above first time unemployment claims + number of of people entering the workforce.
The birth rate of the usa is 13.8 per thousand. Based on 300,000,000 people that means 345,000 PER MONTH.
First time claims have been about 400,000 per month.

To get back to working conditions in Nov 2008, by Nov 2016 we need to ADD (as of this month) ~ 830,350 jobs per month EVERY MONTH from now until then.

Comments on arithmetic welcome.

The way things are being done right now, WILL NOT WORK

Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:34:00 am

Blogger Epaminondas said...

PS.... we added 120k jobs, 400k people made 1st time claims, and 315k fell off the back end of unemployment reporting, that mean the number is MINUS 595k

Even if we IGNORE new people coming into the jobs market we are ~700k to the WRONG SIDE of what we need

Saturday, December 03, 2011 11:37:00 am

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