I'm part of the craven gun lobby, Wes Craven. He made some pretty good drive-in type movies even if there isn't really much gun stuff in them. Mostly axes, knives, and pitchforks.

8/31/2007 12:56 PM

The New York Times use of the word "craven" is grossly inaccurate. I think we've done a fair job of standing up for our rights and fighting for them. I know that the people at the New York Times are extremely irked about the courage and bravery we have shown that have beaten down their gun ban agenda time and time again. So I don't know why they would use a word that is the opposite of the truth. Oh, that's right. As Marxist wannabe's, they stand the truth on its head all the time.

8/31/2007 2:26 PM

There is a Constitutional right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? My copy of the Constitution must be missing some pages...

8/31/2007 3:22 PM

Anon said:

"There is a Constitutional right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness"? My copy of the Constitution must be missing some pages..."

Anon,
Clearly the writer was confused.
As I'm sure you know they were actually quoting the Declaration of Independence.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

When people are unfamiliar with the charters of freedom they easily make such mistakes.

Clearly the editorial writers at the NYT couldn't tell you the difference between the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence if their freedom depended on it, which it does.

8/31/2007 4:41 PM

Let me attempt to further educate the editorial writers at the NYT by also quoting from the same paragraph in the Declaration of Independence, of which they are apparently quite fond.

"mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security"

Be warned.

8/31/2007 4:46 PM

David said:
"As for being "defeated" and "vanquished," he's obviously insulated himself from the gun owners I know--people who visit this site every day and tell me they are just about at the end of their tolerance threshold. These people haven't even begun to fight."

David,
I often pray for my children's sake we never come to that; but I suspect for my children's sake it might.

8/31/2007 5:01 PM

I too found their use of the word craven interesting.

It reminds me of a quote from the princess bride:

Inigo Montoya: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

I do not think craven means what the Times editorial writer thinks it means. Never trust a coward to define one.

8/31/2007 5:08 PM

Dear David Codrea;
Sir I believe you want info about the BPP coloring book created by the FBI. I decided to share this info with everyone.
Madashell
1) For a copy of the BPP coloring book
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/coloring.html
2) For US Senate report on coloring book
http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/churchfinalreportIIIc.htm
3) For additional links including to the Senate report and more
http://www.perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=90600&forum_id=94&jump_to=3222755
4) Latest from Jeff Knox tying it all together
http://www.firearmscoalition.org/new/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=37

9/01/2007 5:01 PM