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Blogger Timeshadows said...

Looking forward to Part Two. :D

October 24, 2010 at 11:27 PM

Blogger Dan said...

Cool stuff! Thanks for taking the time to write this up. I am always surprised at just how many different influences (and how much influence C.A. Smith has in particular) were involved in creating D&D.

October 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM

Blogger Tim Knight said...

Fascinating, eye-opening material. Looking forward to the next episode!

October 25, 2010 at 4:21 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

Delicious.

October 25, 2010 at 4:26 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Thanks so much for sharing this. I've suspected many of these influences and read anecdotes confirming some of them, but you've confirmed a lot more and mentioned a bunch I didn't know about yet here!

October 25, 2010 at 5:41 AM

Blogger Greyhawk Grognard said...

"Fu's Front", eh? That's a new one. Always love to hear these little tidbits from the original campaign!

October 25, 2010 at 10:45 AM

Blogger White Bear said...

I have often wondered about alot of these. Very interesting information! Thank you for taking the time to put it together and share it.

October 25, 2010 at 11:03 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Thanks TS, It'll be a few days. This one was pretty involved and I am apportioning time for the other 2 installments while writing the Machine Level.

October 25, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Hi Dan!

Yeah. Smith is uber-cool.

Note that I am only listing non-S&S elements/influences and doing so to prove my initial assertion. There will be some carry over of genre-facts in Part 2 as that list is really longer than most might assume.

October 25, 2010 at 1:50 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@'Flea:

Yes, Very eye-opening and in many ways. More to follow! :)

October 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Scottz: We serve the dessert up front around these parts, pardner... ;)

October 25, 2010 at 1:52 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Stuart: You're welcome Stuart. More points to made amongst the facts as presented. I missed one important link that will be incorporated into the next part.

October 25, 2010 at 1:56 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Joe: Good to know that I'm good for something, huh? And no--you can't now make a City of Greyhawk (too) with my FU in it! :) IOW: "FU on YU" ;)

October 25, 2010 at 1:58 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Marjasall: Yeah. It was great being there to collect the tidbits. There's many realms of meaning in them, especially for me.

@ All: Thanks for the comments. Please follow along as the next parts go deeper into the matter of D&D's history and spill the magic beans while doing so. :)

October 25, 2010 at 2:07 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

I've updated this with a few additional links (GPM; CAS) including finding the correspomding ERB source for the Phantasmal Force spell.

October 26, 2010 at 1:43 AM

Blogger Greyhawk Grognard said...

Not to worry, Rob. I think someone else has that particular project on their to-do list. ;-)

October 26, 2010 at 8:25 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

Some very interesting stuff there Rob. I love seeing the CAS stuff as I am a huge fan of his.

It is pretty amazing to see how many types of influences were behind the creation of adventures and the game itself.

October 26, 2010 at 11:22 AM

Blogger brasspen said...

This post and the reference in the Machine Level post remind me of the Sturmgeschutz & Sorcery article in The Strategic Review #5 and reprinted in Best Of Dragon #1. Fertile, pre-mass market days.

October 26, 2010 at 10:26 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Hi Brasspen: Well. That's being covered in Part 2. The LGTSA memebrs had a lot of fun playing that particular game session. Do stick around for Part 2. :)

October 26, 2010 at 11:12 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Hi Paterson. Yep. CAS is one of my favorites as well. Currently reading his Captain Volmar (SF) stories.

Stick around for more; and for the ultimate reason why i am going to this depth. There may be some startling conclusions. ;)

October 26, 2010 at 11:15 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ Joe: Heh. "I see your FU and raise you one FU." :)

October 26, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

I have investigated more thoroughly the Great Stone Face Enigma of Greyhawk and will, in PART 2, present two separate notations to the whole matter. I believe that both are worthy. One exceptionally so.

October 27, 2010 at 5:23 AM

Blogger Adam Thornton said...

I have my own Mythic Origin Of The Gelatinous Cube story.

Since I'm just making it up, it's certainly not true, but...

We know the Bulette was a particular little plastic Japanese Dime Store "Dinosaur". I always liked to imagine the Gelatinous cube as a cube of lime Jell-O on the same table as the Bulette and the Owlbear. The scale is about right.

October 27, 2010 at 11:45 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Hi Adam-- It's cool to speculate hough it may not have happened. Yeah. The rust monster. too. But that was after Chainmail period and our sand table miniature games in LG; those (RM/BUL) just happened to catch EGG's imagination at a dime store. I am still trying for all these years to find the oogily-googily creature we used as an elemental during the Chainmail battles, this too from a dime store, but have failed to locate the critter. :)

October 28, 2010 at 12:28 AM

Blogger JB said...

Very cool. Also looking forward to Part 2.
: )

October 30, 2010 at 2:35 PM

Blogger Drew said...

I always thought the Portable Hole was taken from the Jack Vance Dying Earth story with Chun the Unavoidable?

October 30, 2010 at 11:34 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Drew. Thank you!! I knew there was a second source that Gary had told me about and I had not re-read Vance in years. The two are merged in fact--the one carried the name and the other was more like the bag of holding. Chun also influenced the robe of eyes. Thanks again as that really jolted my memory and I will update the article. :)

October 31, 2010 at 12:40 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

lots of great cruchy nuggets there. Thanks for posting it Rob.

December 2, 2010 at 5:11 PM

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