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May 23, 2010 at 1:34 PM

Blogger Roger G-S said...

BRAVISSIMO! Great article series.

May 23, 2010 at 2:09 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Roger: Many thanks! Congrats back at you for your recent combat research Sword and Axe posts.

May 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM

Blogger bombasticus said...

Once again I admire your persistence & creativity in tracking the "EEG" behind all these purple cults and tentacle rods.

I suspected early on that many of the gems went to feed Daoud's lanthorn. S4 is oddly gem-heavy as the pech presence indicates, and oddly ole Iggwilv seems to have flared into malignance "nearly a century ago," roughly after the death of Wongas. Light and dark magic and shadowland between....

Thanks again.

May 23, 2010 at 3:08 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@bombasticus: That's an exquisite connection: A light-bearing tool (Lanthorn) requiring special gems for its powers.

Iggwilv <-> Wongas connection - Very nice.

The thought of Iggwilv hunting down whatever gems left the Temple is pure story gold. Was she 'in favor' once upon a time? Was she the heroine of the area - helping to defeat the Temple, and the Lanthorn's effects eventually pushed her over the edge?

Many, many thanks. At the very least, it provides solid story connections to S4. Well done.

May 23, 2010 at 3:15 PM

Blogger Greyhawk Grognard said...

Thanks very much for the kind words about the Greyhawk Lore Project. I'm glad to see folks are finding it useful.

This series has really been incredible. Greyhawk fans owe you a debt.

May 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Joseph: Many, many thanks.

I can't thank you enough for your site, and I hope that all visitors here will see its value as much more than a hub about 'a setting'.

For me, your work keeps alive the 'essence' of Old School D&D.

If there's any assistance I can volunteer with Emprise, just email me.

May 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Blogger James said...

Reading this series has been quite an adventure! Thank you!

May 23, 2010 at 5:52 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@James: Thanks!

Don't forget to cast a vote for the next series.

May 23, 2010 at 5:54 PM

Blogger Jim said...

Thank you very much for the series! Very enjoyable!

May 23, 2010 at 9:30 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Jim: Many thanks! Please comment on what module should be next!

May 23, 2010 at 9:41 PM

Blogger Timeshadows said...

This was fun.
--Thank you very much, scottz.

May 23, 2010 at 11:32 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Lady T: Many Thanks!

More to come...

May 24, 2010 at 4:49 AM

Blogger PatrickW said...

I'd like to see the Lost caverns done next. That was one of my favorites as a DM and a player (not necessarily in that order).

May 24, 2010 at 8:57 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@PatrickW: S4 is, of course, classic even among classics. The 'short' list of candidates to choose from is:
A4 - Dungeons of the Slave Lords
L1 - Secret of Bone Hill
C1 - Shrine of Tamoachan
I1 - Dwellers of the Forbidden City
N1 - Against the Cult of the Reptile God

Each of the above has something I'd like to focus on: 'adventure paths' for A4, sandboxing for L1, tricks and traps for C1, pulp fantasy for I1, and NPC development for N1

Throw up a vote for one of the above for our next victim... after that we'll attempt to take T1-4 and create a more serious T2...

May 24, 2010 at 9:22 AM

Blogger PatrickW said...

That being the case, I think C1 gets my vote. I really liked the rooms and Aztec link. I even ran it in my Fantasy Hero campaign as a way to introduce an older set of gods.

A4 would be my second choice, but the module itself seemed kind of sparse if, for some reason, you were not running it as the conclusion to the series. Also seemed to get the players in an uproar starting out naked like that.

May 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@PatrickW:
One vote for C1! So far L1 is in the lead.

Regarding A4, it is kind of sparse in text, but it's a great study in controlled paths for adventurers in a tournament module. When laid out graphically, it reveals a very simplistic 'puzzle' where - in accordance with the story - time is the enemy.

Thanks for commenting!

May 24, 2010 at 10:09 AM

Blogger Kosta said...

This was an amazing read! Always loved storylines with a "dark secret" that were never fully explained. That frustrates alot of folks but I think its great to use your own imagination and make conclusions.

I will also put in a vote for C1 because some of the images in the artbook could possibly hold "hidden" meanings we're not fully aware of.

I think S4 should also be considered at some point. If only to help bring forth new/original connections with WG4.

May 24, 2010 at 10:28 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Kalidus: Many thanks.

Another vote for C1.

As for S4 - it's a favorite of mine, and hopefully we'll get to it. The backstory characters of Iggwilv and Tsojcanth are amazing but a little murky. Researching the early Greyhawk Canon may produce multiple 'solution sets' like WG4's Tharizdun.

It would be a hell of a ride, though.

May 24, 2010 at 10:53 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@All: We're neck in neck!

Two votes for L1 and two votes for C1..

In this corner...
Tamoachan!
...the 'Aztec Menace'!!

..and in this corner...
Secret of Bone Hill!
...the 'Lakofka Sandbox'!!!

May 24, 2010 at 10:56 AM

Blogger James said...

I vote for N1. :)

May 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@James: I do love me some N1 - Ex-cultist apologies at the end, zombies and a nasty Naga... troglodytes... tasty.

Let's check the board:
Immediate(short list)
L1 - 2 votes
C1 - 2 votes
N1 - 1 vote

Some day (in the distance):
S1, S4

Kudos to you, by the way, for this weekend's news - some excellent downloadable goodness there.

May 24, 2010 at 5:53 PM

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Author! Author! ;)
(Thunderous applause)

A brilliant, and not too short, topper for your marvelous & entertaining thesis into the shadowy, forgotten depths of Tharizdun.

Ooh, c'mon L1! Pull ahead!
Although whichever Cold Text you choose, you will undoubtedly burn it into our minds with your 'Sherlock Holmes' manner.

Ciao!
GW

May 24, 2010 at 9:34 PM

Blogger Mike Bridges said...

I 'Lament' that it's finally over. Congrats on the completion of a memorable blog-series. I've truly never looked forward to checking a blog as much as this one since the Greyhawk topics started flying. (Armies of GH is also a strong, well-devised series.)

Throw my vote in for C1, I agree that the art in it is too good to pass up.

May 25, 2010 at 1:18 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Grendelwulf: I wish I was Sherlock Holmes... those damned Gems wouldn't haunt me...

@mike: Another C1 vote! I better stock up on Mexican food!

Many, many thanks to both of you for taking the ride and making it fun!

So far, C1 is in the lead - we'll give the voting until June 1st and see which one's on top...

So far the ranking is C1, L1, N1 which is not a bad schedule of future series.

May 25, 2010 at 4:53 AM

Blogger Greyhawk Grognard said...

I'd have to go for Lost Caverns of Tsojcanth. It really seems like it could stand up to this level of scrutiny.

May 25, 2010 at 10:41 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

Let's check the board once more:
Immediate(short list)
C1 - 3 votes
L1 - 2 votes
N1 - 1 vote

In the future:
S4 - 2 votes
S1 - 1 vote

May 25, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Joseph: A treatment of S4 would also present an opportunity to organize and collate a lot of Greyhawk lore about Tsojca(o)nth, etc. which might be worthwhile...

Love the module, but good heavens there are some tough fights in it. (The Dao... the damned Dao...)

May 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM

Blogger Ragnorakk said...

I'd like to see C1 & S4 in the future. This has been a really deep read - thank you very much!

May 25, 2010 at 4:43 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Ragnorakk: Many thanks!

It was interesting to compare WG4 with your list of 12 Old School Touchstones (For the rest of you, click here if you haven't seen it yet)

Your vote has been tallied, bringing us the following order:
C1(4v), L1(2v), N1(1v), and down the line S4(2v) and S1(1v)

Many thanks!

May 25, 2010 at 6:34 PM

Blogger Chris FitzPatrick said...

Might be too late, but my vote is for L1!

May 26, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Chris: Not too late at all. We'll 'close the voting' on June 1st.

With your vote, we have:
C1 - 4 votes
L1 - 3 votes
N1 - 1 vote

Off in the future wishlist, we have:
S4 - 2 votes
S1 - 1 vote

Many thanks for the vote!

May 26, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Blogger Simon D. said...

Scott,this series has been fantastic. I love the module and you have added and uncovered layers of more enjoyment to it.

For the next module: C1, but to echo others S4 would indeed be awesome to do :0)

Thanks for doing this.

May 27, 2010 at 8:48 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Simon: Thanks!

Counting your vote, we have:
C1 - 5 votes
L1 - 3 votes
N1 - 1 vote

(I'm going to have to type all those Aztec/Incan names...)

Off in the future, there's interest for S4, S1

May 27, 2010 at 9:59 AM

Blogger Brother Oscar said...

Absolutely wonderful series! Very serendipitous and fortunate for me to have found this. I am taking my players through WG4 right now, though I don't think they know that. As I say, lucky for me, not so much for them!

Love the insight on the well of souls/gate to oblivion for Area 19.

If you're still taking votes, I vote for L1.

May 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Brother Oscar: Thanks! Excellent that you are currently running the adventure!

A vote for L1! So...
C1 - 5
L1 - 4
N1 - 1

Hope you and your players can have a ball!

May 28, 2010 at 4:48 AM

Blogger Unknown said...

I can add little to the previous comments... truly awesome series, thank you for taking the time and effort to do this.

Regarding future analysis, my vote is (in order of preference):
1st: N1.
2nd: L1.
3rd: C1.
4th: A4.
5th: I1.

Regarding the potential alternates, one could tie in to / draw inspiration from a recently ended TV series (Lost). One could envision that the Black Cyst is the counterpart of the Pool of Light and then impose this reversal of tropes to compare/contrast the two implied realities (GH and a Lost-like-GH). Perhaps the the Black Cyst is the cork on the atomic/alchemist essence of the human spirit. Or one could view GH as an instance of a world were the faith-continuum saw stronger development over the science-continum whereas in the Lost-GH science (apparently) won over faith.

My 2 cents.

Thanks again. I'm looking forward to new analysis.

Cheers,

William

May 30, 2010 at 7:36 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

@Kiviak: Thanks for reading and commenting!

A vote for N1 brings us to:
C1 - 5
L1 - 4
N1 - 2

I like your line of thinking and correlation to Lost and the thought that Tharizdun and the Black Cyst are connected or are part of some 'hyper-cosmological event' of some kind: as if the entire multiverse rests on certain pillars and one of them is a darkness/evil that simply can't be destroyed. The combined work of deities was necessary just to freeze/encyst it.

A DM could really develop the Cyst into something unique: what if sacrificing something into that black 'form on the block' granted a wish, or a power, at the expense of a hero's character or ethics.

Certainly campaign material if exposure to the Cyst 'tainted' heroes in some way, particularly given that Greyhawk does factor in 'faith' strongly.

May 30, 2010 at 7:59 AM

Blogger netherwerks said...

I have truly enjoyed this series--and it has brought back lots of good memories. Forgotten Temple of Tharizdun was the first Gygaxian-module that really seemed to cross-over into the campaign I was running at the time and it helped me to introduce the pulps and other source materials to my players who finally got interested after seeing that it wasn't just something I liked. Gygax liked this stuff, so it had to be real, cool, more than just the weird-crap that I liked. Sigh.

I also really like how you've wrapped-up the series with a lot of hooks, tips and ideas for making this module really work all over again, and to expand it into something far more fun and interesting than it was all alone. This is what I thought the OSR would be doing to some extent, so it's awesome to finally find it actually happening!

Thanks!

June 11, 2010 at 10:40 AM

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